<div dir="auto">I would suggest that if someone could identify a list of mapping tasks suitable for beginners that might help this sort of thing happening again.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'd done a fair amount of validation of HOT tasks in the past which I'm sure are similar and I'm more than aware of the amount of effort needed to validate after new untrained enthusiastic mappers have been mapping.  Especially when they map only a couple of times.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm also aware that it does take a lot of knowledge and resources to clean up afterwards.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Do we need a half page introduction to OSM?  Something along the lines of if you are organising some sort of mapathon these are things you need to consider and theses are the sort of things that have caused problems in the past.  I get the feeling the enthusiastic organisers are going to do it anyway but it help help a bit.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It doesn't help the present situation but it might help prevent more problems in the future.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheerio John</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 16:29 Mario Frasca <<a href="mailto:mario@anche.no">mario@anche.no</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Hi Rory,</p>
    <p>let's include the list, so you're talking with the whole
      community, not just to me.</p>
    <p>BACKGROUND: we're trying to have the YouthMappers Chapter of the
      University of Panama consider they're mapping within OSM, that
      there's a local community of mappers already mapping, and with
      some experience in different fields.</p>
    <p>unfortunately, the YMUP Chapter refuses to reply to comments to
      their changesets, or to consider complaints about their low
      quality of edits, and the sheer mass of beginners they throw into
      not-too-simple tasks.  recently they had their yearly "Gis Day",
      please don't ask me what it is, because I don't know, only that
      there's a hashtag being used once a year by the YouthMappers UP
      Chapter.  also please don't ask me who's inside this chapter,
      because I don't know.</p>
    <p>when Mateusz wrote to <a href="mailto:info@youthmappers.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">info@youthmappers.org</a> about their organized
      editing activity without declaration of intents, the result of his
      writing was that HOT opened two projects on top of two areas we
      from the community were editing using the tasking manager from
      <a href="http://tareas.openstreetmap.co" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">tareas.openstreetmap.co</a>, forcing us to clean up the edits while
      they were coming in.  that's Santiago and Colón.<br>
    </p>
    <p>in Santiago we reverted several changesets, and made the effort
      to close their project so they would stay away from the work which
      was anyway almost complete.<br>
    </p>
    <p>in Colón we stopped editing downtown, leaving it to the YMUP
      Chapter.</p>
    <p>there's still no published plan from the chapter, Rory says that
      they are reviewing the tasks they had opened, but apart from
      beginner mapper <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/agreenish" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">agreenish</a>,
      arguably adding to the mass of mistakes, I don't see much editing
      activity in either project.</p>
    I will write a diary entry, with images, and will try to make it a
    structured presentation of what goes on here.  there's statistical
    data I've collected that shows just how organized the edits from
    YMUP, and I find it quite insulting, the mismatch between the words
    by YouthMappers International, the call for patience by HOT, and the
    continued self-boasting by this local Chapter, while we need to do
    the cleaning up.<br>
    <p>you know … I am editing Morocco, that's more relaxing.  hopefully
      no YouthMappers there.<br>
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    <p>ciao,</p>
    <p>Mario<br>
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    <p><br>
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    <div>On 02/12/2020 15:52, Rory Nealon wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi Mario, 
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        <div>Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.  I will try and
          contact the chapter and get an answer for you.  The last I
          heard was that they had begun to validate the tasks they had
          created.
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          <div>Cheers,</div>
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          <div>Rory</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 4:53
          PM Mario Frasca <<a href="mailto:mario@anche.no" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mario@anche.no</a>> wrote:<br>
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        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear
          Rory,<br>
          <br>
          let me insist, I wish to have an estimate of how long we
          should wait, <br>
          for the YMUP to review their edits?<br>
          <br>
          as you have read from his complaint to YMI, Markusz assumes
          something <br>
          like "at the end of the day", even if he wrote the complaint 4
          days <br>
          after the edit — which he fixed himself.<br>
          <br>
          maybe too strict myself, because I would say "the next day",
          which could <br>
          be "the next available day".<br>
          <br>
          in particular since this looks like episodic edits, not
          ongoing activities.<br>
          <br>
          so, what is the time we should allow before concluding they
          abandoned <br>
          the location?<br>
          <br>
          a week?  (slow, but could fit in a low activity group)<br>
          <br>
          a month?  (very slow, one forgets what they were doing)<br>
          <br>
          a year?  (ah? next group, please?)<br>
          <br>
          best regards, Mario Frasca<br>
          <br>
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