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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Dec 3, 2020, 11:07 by dieterdreist@gmail.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div class=""><div class="" dir="ltr">Am Do., 3. Dez. 2020 um 10:49 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via talk <<a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>>:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=""><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Dec 3, 2020, 00:44 by <a target="_blank" href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">frederik@remote.org</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div>People have thought the same about Donald Trump - yeah, this<br></div><div>whole<br></div></blockquote><div>I think that form of this is very unfortunate and references<br></div><div>to Trump and genitalia could be dropped without losing anything.<br></div><div><br></div><div>This really have not added anything useful and this insults<br></div><div>were problematic. Especially as the same could be expressed<br></div><div>without comparing such actions to rape (implied rape?).<br></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Mateusz, have a second read what Stevea wrote, because he put it very well<br></div><div>why sometimes it may be appropriate to use strong terms: "However, sometimes,<br></div><div>as when we have abusive, naked aggression inside of
(sometimes at the very top of!)<br></div><div>institutions, we must call out such
atrocious behavior. We call it out to say <br></div><div>“we will not stand for
this.” <br></div></div></blockquote><div>I fully agree. And I am a bit involved in this, see <br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/matkoniecz/illegal-use-of-OpenStreetMap">https://github.com/matkoniecz/illegal-use-of-OpenStreetMap</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I create it slowly, it is intended to be a version of <br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lacking_proper_attribution">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lacking_proper_attribution</a> that would be <br></div><div>clear to someone from outside OSM.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Also, focusing on especially egregious violations.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Primarily by massive corporation where missing attribution is not caused by lack of <br></div><div>resources, but by a deliberate plagiarism.<br></div><div><br></div><div>In Mapbox or FB display of attribution certainly went through review that judged<br></div><div>violating OSM license as safe.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div>Sometimes, colorful language is used to draw attention to this.<br></div></div></blockquote><div>In general I agree, see repository name that I linked above.<br></div><div><br></div><div>This was deliberate, despite some risk that one of corporations listed there<br></div><div>(I plan to add FB there with evidence of violating OSBL) may decide<br></div><div>to attack me using their overwhelming advantage in terms of money,<br></div><div>number of employed lawyers and experience in avoiding legal system<br></div><div>or misusing it for their own advantage.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I strongly prefer claims and language such as <br></div><div>"FB commits large scale-copyright violation",<br></div><div>"FB is llegally using OpenStreetMap data to show maps",<br></div><div>"FB is plagiarising maps shown on their website and in apps",<br></div><div>"Mapbox misrepresents actual source of data",<br></div><div>"FB representative claims that attribution is not needed to be clearly displayed, what is untrue"<br></div><div> "OSMF can at any moment file accurate DMCA notice to take down FB apps"<br></div><div>"Recent attribution guideline looks like written by FB and Mapbox lawyers,<br></div><div>misrepresents ODBL requirements and is deeply harmful"<br></div><div><br></div><div>All of them are accurate.<br></div><div><br></div><div>While "missing attribution is like sexual assault" seems to be inaccurate,<br></div><div>unlikely to be useful and unlikely to be seriously treated by people, especially<br></div><div>outside OSM community.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div>
Sometimes, because people either are not fully aware of this in their
experience, wish to turn away from looking at evil, or because they are
part of those who "say nothing about bad men” (in the sense of John
Stuart Mill’s quote, while "good men...look on and do nothing") the very
nature of nasty, disingenuous people who mislead, lie, deceive, do not
recuse, demand unwarranted loyalty, refuse to play by the rules, “stack
the (court, Board)," slander… must be so vividly brought to light that
strong and colorful language IS required."<br></div></div></blockquote><div>I fully support strong language - just one without pulling into problematic comparison,<br></div><div>USA politics, genitalia and so on. It seems to be both counteproductive and problematic.<br></div> </body>
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