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<div>> A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ok. What alternative solutions do you propose?</div><div>-- <br></div><div><br></div><div>14 Dec 2020, 19:07 by tom@compton.nu:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>That's just the instructions on how to migrate the data<br></div><div>and it doesn't cover anything related to actually installing<br></div><div>and configuring all the components of mailman 3 from a<br></div><div>quick look which is a big issue given that it's not packaged<br></div><div>and it's a not a single tool like mailman 2 but rather is<br></div><div>a collection of separate components.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Given that we're already looking at other things there is<br></div><div>no point in spending several months and many man hours on<br></div><div>attempting a migration to something that we have to install<br></div><div>from source and then try and keep up to date without any<br></div><div>upstream packages.<br></div><div><br></div><div>You're right that the UI tries to be a web forum but from<br></div><div>personal experience I can say that it fails - it's probably<br></div><div>a better UI as a simple archiver but it's no use as a way<br></div><div>of reading lists day to day. The only thing that's ever<br></div><div>got close to that is Discourse.<br></div><div><br></div><div>A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Tom<br></div><div><br></div><div>On 14/12/2020 18:58, ipswichmapper@tutanota.com wrote:<br></div><blockquote><div>Python's mailing lists use mailman 3:<br></div><div><br></div><div>https://www.python.org/community/lists/ <https://www.python.org/community/lists/><br></div><div><br></div><div>What is the problem with the UI ? It seems far, far more useable than pipermail and hyperkitty feels like a forum.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If upgrading isn't possible, well then I guess bad luck. The mailman focs doesn't make it look that hard (is it skipping over OSM server specific steps that make the process harder?)<br></div><div><br></div><div>https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div>IpswichMapper<br></div><div>-- <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>14 Dec 2020, 18:45 by tom@compton.nu:<br></div><div><br></div><div> It's not going to happen.<br></div><div><br></div><div> Virtually nobody uses mailman 3 with the exception of Fedora<br></div><div> and I know from using it there that the UI is a disaster.<br></div><div><br></div><div> Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far more complicated to<br></div><div> deploy than what we have.<br></div><div><br></div><div> Don't think of mailman 3 as an upgrade - it's basically a<br></div><div> totally different product.<br></div><div><br></div><div> There is talk of a change, but it won't be to mailman 3.<br></div><div><br></div><div> Tom<br></div><div><br></div><div> On 14/12/2020 18:42, ipswichmapper@tutanota.com wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div> Okay thanks, I'll contact him on github. I don't havd mailman<br></div><div> administration experience, or that much coding experience for<br></div><div> that matter. I was just suprised that we are stuck with 10+<br></div><div> years old cluttered pipermail when hyperkitty is actually useable.<br></div><div><br></div><div> -- <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> 14 Dec 2020, 18:37 by jm@liotier.org:<br></div><div><br></div><div> From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at<br></div><div> https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman<br></div><div> <https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman>,<br></div><div> Tom Hughes is the person you should ask. If you have mailman<br></div><div> administration experience, maybe you could make it happen.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper--- via talk wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> I was wondering if all the lists on<br></div><div> https://lists.openstreetmap.org<br></div><div> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org><br></div><div> could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newest<br></div><div> archiver).<br></div><div><br></div><div> Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is<br></div><div> *unusable*.<br></div><div> Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum.<br></div><div><br></div><div> From my experience, the mailing lists are *far more active*<br></div><div> than<br></div><div> the forum, so it would be good to have it searchable & more<br></div><div> accessible (the only downside to this is newer users might<br></div><div> use the<br></div><div> mailing list now. I don't think this is a downside, but I<br></div><div> understand why others would think so).<br></div><div><br></div><div> Also, Mailman 3 still gets updates, while *mailman2 is on<br></div><div> maintainance mode and won't recieve feature updates.*<br></div><div><br></div><div> I strongly recommend that the mailing lists are upgraded to<br></div><div> mailman3 with hyperkitty: this will make the mailing lists<br></div><div> so, so<br></div><div> much more useable.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> -- Tom Hughes (tom@compton.nu)<br></div><div> http://compton.nu/<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Tom Hughes (tom@compton.nu)<br></div><div>http://compton.nu/<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div> </body>
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