<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 22 déc. 2020 à 21:42, Martin Constantino–Bodin <<a href="mailto:martin.bodin@ens-lyon.org">martin.bodin@ens-lyon.org</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Bonsoir,</p>
<p>J’ai probablement mal compris votre propos, du coup. J’ai lu
votre message comme une plainte comme quoi cet appel serait un
racisme « anti-blanc »… ce qui est bien entendu ridicule (le
passage
<a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racisme_antiblanc#majoritaire" target="_blank">https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racisme_antiblanc#majoritaire</a> est
intéressant à lire sur le sujet).</p></div></blockquote><div>"ridicule" ?</div><div>French justice already condemned people for racism words against white people.</div><div>Don't confuse systematic, or group racism and individual racism.<br></div><div>Being into a minority group does not give you immunity against hate.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p>Cet appel n’est pas un propos haineux, bien au contraire : il
demande à ce que les comportements hostiles sur cette liste soient
reconnus, de telle sorte que l’on puisse travailler à les
diminuer.</p></div></blockquote><div>I understand that well, and I'm not against that apriori.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p> Le fait est que les européens (et plus particulièrement
un profil bien précis — blanc, masculin, anglophone, etc. dont je
fais d’ailleurs moi-même pas mal parti) sont surreprésentés sur
cette liste, et malheureusement viennent bien souvent avec des
comportements « grande gueule » ou pire. Reconnaitre ce fait n’est
pas haineux : c’est juste factuel.</p></div></blockquote><div>Racism is not about saying that "white" people are doing stuff together, it's saying that "white" people "has led to" bad behaviours (implication between a skin color and behaviour).<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p>Je trouve assez inquiétant que plusieurs réponses à cet appel
confondent une reconnaissance factuelle avec des propos haineux :
rien que cela donne une idée de l’étendue du problème ☹</p></div></blockquote><div>And do you understand how I was devastated to read such violent words, and seeing 300 people agreeing with it ?<br></div><div>That worries me way more.</div><div><br></div><div>I have a rule of thumb : don't talk about others' skin color.</div><div><br></div><div>Happy end of year, hope next year will be better for humanity.</div><div>All the best.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p>Bonnes vacances pour ceux qui en ont ☺<br>
Martin Constantino–Bodin.<br>
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<div>Bonjour,</div>
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<div>J'ai cité le passage problématique.</div>
<div>J'ai trop souffert de phobie sociale dans ma vie pour
accepter ce genre de propos.</div>
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<div>La loi française contre les propos haineux s'applique à
tous en France.</div>
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<div>Bien à vous.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le ven. 18 déc. 2020
à 12:15, Martin Constantino–Bodin <<a href="mailto:martin.bodin@ens-lyon.org" target="_blank">martin.bodin@ens-lyon.org</a>>
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<div><span id="gmail-m_-8425239424379604012m_-8218675534832439990m_6722755603410748086m_-8493624863997685691m_-4605615155489999709m_-661159822695302402m_-2871090126173094904m_8610608795719715253m_3609960752284572457m_-9150470319902891252gmail-m_7678270422622445852gmail-m_-8535454022299448626m_7992195276582279771gmail-m_-6336261784603441718m_-7259369353632615049m_-4990001867520475878m_3295065828059740768m_6870351026435459193m_3518052352539189501gmail-docs-internal-guid-904dd2ff-7fff-ecd1-65be-53b01f1701e7">I
can read at the date of this mail
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dynamics in OSM are controlled by
a dominant contributor profile:
white, Western and male. This
power dynamic has led to a
communication style which includes
misogynistic, hostile, targeting,
doxing, unfriendly, competitive,
intimidating, patronising
messaging, which is offensive to
us and forces many of us to remain
as observers and without the
confidence to participate actively</span><span>.</span>»<br>
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bored of reading hate speech against
groups of people defined by their
color skin, origin or gender.</span></div>
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<p>Er… Please read this article: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_racism" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_racism</a></p>
<p>This call is not a hate speech against white-people.
It’s a call to recognise the issue and respond to it.</p>
<p>Regards,<br>
Martin Constantino–Bodin.</p>
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