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I feel that I’m arguing against a wall, as Florimond seems to
categorically refuse to read the Wikipedia references I’m sending.
But if he thinks that way, there must be other people in the list
thinking as-is. Hopefully, some of these would accept to read some
sources (especially when it start citing a lot of studies showing
that no, “anti-white racism” is not a thing).<br>
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<p> Le fait est que les européens (et plus
particulièrement un profil bien précis — blanc,
masculin, anglophone, etc. dont je fais d’ailleurs
moi-même pas mal parti) sont surreprésentés sur cette
liste, et malheureusement viennent bien souvent avec des
comportements « grande gueule » ou pire. Reconnaitre ce
fait n’est pas haineux : c’est juste factuel.</p>
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<div>Racism is not about saying that "white" people are doing
stuff together, it's saying that "white" people "has led to"
bad behaviours (implication between a skin color and
behaviour).<br>
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<p>Je trouve assez inquiétant que plusieurs réponses à cet
appel confondent une reconnaissance factuelle avec des
propos haineux : rien que cela donne une idée de
l’étendue du problème ☹</p>
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<div>And do you understand how I was devastated to read such
violent words, and seeing 300 people agreeing with it ?<br>
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<div>That worries me way more.</div>
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<div>I have a rule of thumb : don't talk about others' skin
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<p>What Florimond seems to fail to understand is that this call
comes from actual terrible experiences in this mailing list. The
participants of this call are trying to understand where this
comes from… and there seem to be a huge correlation between the
European male OSM population and the offendants. In contrary to
what Forimond is sayig, this call is not saying that being a
member of this population is a sufficient clause, but it states
that it seems to be necessary given the experience of the offended
people (with this meaning of sufficient and necessary:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency</a> ). The
issue is not the skin color, it’s the associated privileges, and
the failure of recognising as such. These violent words come from
people’s experiences, and failing to recognise this is
definitively an issue.</p>
<p>Regards,<br>
Martin.<br>
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