<div dir="auto">If the locations are known, yes. American-specific detailed explanation follows:<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As government security training explains, if you'd ever had it, it's the responsibility of government employees to keep their own secrets. If something like current data on silo locations got out to be mapped, they have already failed. That is the responsibility of the person or persons who caused the security breach, not the mapper. (And yes, there would be a full effort to identify those persons.)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As a private individual, you only have an obligation here if you were a government employee or clearance holder, both of which come with security obligations that being a private citizen does not. In those specific cases, if you find classified information mapped, you are actually obligated to report it. However, that is a responsibility that comes with being an employee or clearance holder, not a burden that applies to the general public.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The point is, once that kind of information becomes public enough to be found and mapped in the first place, your attempt at security through obscurity has already fully failed. You can't put that cat back in the bag. That is one large part of why trying to go back and "hide" this kind of information after the fact is incredibly misguided.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Chuck</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:48 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk <<a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div>? do we map missile silos ?<br><br> <blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #0857a6;margin:10px;padding:0 0 0 10px">Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:33 AM -06:00 from Chuck Sanders <<a href="mailto:nathhad@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nathhad@gmail.com</a>>:<br> <div id="m_-4803578714236999666"><div><div><div id="m_-4803578714236999666style_16090867940332828521_BODY"><div><div><div>I agree strongly with Steve.<div> </div><div>"Security through obscurity" has never been a particularly effective strategy anyway. It can work for small things with a great amount of effort, or big things with a massive amount of effort ... sometimes.</div><div> </div><div>What's more, as mappers, it's absolutely not our place to do someone else's security through obscurity *for them*, and doubly so when unasked.</div><div> </div><div>And all those military bases? They're all mapped ... On every mapping service, not just OSM. Hence, definitely not an example of why a corporation's buildings covered in logos would be something to remove.</div><div> </div><div>Chuck</div> <div><div><div>On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 10:39 AM Steve Friedl <<a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3asteve@unixwiz.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">steve@unixwiz.net</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" lang="EN-US"><div><p>This is nonsense; the building in Nashville has a HUGE AT&T logo on it, so this is no kind of secret.</p><p> </p><p>If somebody on the ground can tell it’s an AT&T building, it should be tagged as an AT&T building.</p><p> </p><div><div style="border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;border:none;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p><b>From:</b> 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk <<a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 27, 2020 7:33 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aTalk%2dus@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a>; <a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aTagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>; <a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3alegal%2dtalk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">legal-talk@openstreetmap.org</a>; <a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] Bombing, AT&T building, Nashville, Tennessee, USA.</p></div></div><p> </p><div><p>because nobody knows where there at, like a military base, unless you live in the area. <br>and now there under guard.<br> </p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #0857a6 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 8.0pt;margin-left:7.5pt;margin-top:7.5pt;margin-right:7.5pt;margin-bottom:7.5pt"><p>Sunday, December 27, 2020 9:01 AM -06:00 from Steve Friedl <<a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3asteve@unixwiz.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">steve@unixwiz.net</a>>:<br> </p><div id="m_-4803578714236999666m_991442730615932969_mr_css_attr"><div><div><div id="m_-4803578714236999666m_991442730615932969style_16090812980897095751_BODY_mr_css_attr"><div><div><p>The building is still there, and why would we untag ALL AT&T buldings?</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #0857a6 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 8.0pt;margin-left:7.5pt;margin-top:7.5pt;margin-right:7.5pt;margin-bottom:7.5pt"><div><div><div><div><div><div><p> </p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><p><span style="color:#c82613">Do we have the responsibility to un-tag, delete all AT&T building.</span></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #0857a6 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 8.0pt;margin-left:7.5pt;margin-top:7.5pt;margin-right:7.5pt;margin-bottom:7.5pt"><div><div><div><div><div><div><p> </p><div><div><div><p><b>From:</b> 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk <<a href="http:///compose?To=talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 27, 2020 5:23 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>; <a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aTalk%2dus@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a>; <a href="http:///compose?To=Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [OSM-talk] Bombing, AT&T building, Nashville, Tennessee, USA.<br><b>Importance:</b> High</p></div></div><div><p> </p><div><p>Do we have the responsibility to un-tag, delete all AT&T building.</p></div><div><p> </p></div><div><div><div><p> </p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><p> </p><div><p> </p></div><div><div><div><p> </p></div></div></div><div><p> </p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-us mailing list<br><a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aTalk%2dus@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us</a></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote> <div> </div><div><div><div> </div></div></div><div> </div></div></div>
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