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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Joseph, et al,<br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">You'll be able to judge
for yourself when you see the survey. When the translations are
done, we'll release it. Until then, let's all observe the OSM
Etiquette Guide [1] and "assume good faith".</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Surveys are conducted
to collect information about what respondents think, believe,
and prefer. Those are the intentions of this survey, as they
should be for all surveys.<br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">apm</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">[1]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette</a></font></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/10/2021 12:30 PM, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Re: "<span
style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">As a
statistical economist, believe it or not I have
actually run surveys in the past, so am not a complete
novice, but if you have the names of people you'd like
the Board to talk to about surveys, please PM me."</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">We
are not questioning your competency or experience or
expertise. We are asking for transparency about the
intentions of this survey and how it was made.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Since
you are an English-speaking American (like me), even
though you have international relations experience and
survey experience, it is quite possible that you and
the others who developed the survey have included
implicit biases.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">It
is also possible that your pre-conceptions have led to
questions which presume a certain outcome. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Please
read </span> <a
href="http://blog.imagico.de/on-surveying-the-surveyors/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://blog.imagico.de/on-surveying-the-surveyors/</a> and
respond especially to this comment about a previous
survey: </div>
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<div><i>"<span
style="color:rgb(119,119,119);font-family:"Droid
Sans",arial,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px">Due to the
cultural diversity of the OSM community surveying
the views of this community in a representative form
is practically impossible. The survey the OSMF board
made does not actually try to do this"</span></i></div>
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style="color:rgb(119,119,119);font-family:"Droid
Sans",arial,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px"><br>
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Do you consider this survey to be an attempt to get a
representative sample of views from the wider community? <br>
<br>
Do you expect to make changes to the OSMF board plans and
priorities based on new ideas or unexpected problems
brought up by the survey?
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<div>Or do you expect the results to<span
style="color:rgb(119,119,119);font-family:"Droid
Sans",arial,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px"><i> "more or
less confirm the image [you have] of the views and
priorities of the more articulated parts of the
English speaking parts of the international OSM
community].</i></span><font face="Droid Sans, arial,
sans-serif" color="#777777"><span
style="font-size:15.199999809265137px"><br>
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<div>-- Joseph Eisenberg</div>
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<div>-- Joseph Eisenberg</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 8:43
AM Allan Mustard <<a
href="mailto:allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">John: We are
casting the net as widely as possible, so please amplify
this message through your preferred communications
channels. We will circulate the URL for the survey via
talk lists, which will allow anyone with a valid email
address to request a single-use token that will allow
the respondent to participate in the survey once. In
theory individuals with multiple email addresses could
respond multiple times, but we will abide by the OSM
Etiquette Guidelines and "assume good faith". The
target audience is the broad OSM community--anybody who
creates, supports, or uses OSM data. <br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">As a
statistical economist, believe it or not I have actually
run surveys in the past, so am not a complete novice,
but if you have the names of people you'd like the Board
to talk to about surveys, please PM me.</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Imre: Lime
Survey allows only one entry for English. BTW, if you
live in Budapest, stop by Gerbeaud's and have a piece of
Dobos tort for me...</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">cheers,<br>
apm </font><br>
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<div>On 1/10/2021 9:56 AM, john whelan wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">One of the biggest problems is the
sample. Ideally you need to decide on your target
audience. Is it anyone who has ever signed up or anyone
who has mapped more than five times in the last
two years? Or even anyone who has an interest? That
could be consumers of the data.
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<div dir="auto">I'd suggest a random sample, extract a
list of users who meet the criteria. Then look at the
sample size. There are mathematical rules about how
large a sample size should be.</div>
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<div dir="auto">You have their email addreses, check the
privacy laws but I think you should be able to contact
them directly.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Ballot stuffing, send the link with
number in it so it can only be used once.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Respondent burden, if you sample 10%
twice a year that should give you enough information
and mean you don't bug people very often.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Talk to people who run surveys.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Cheerio John<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021,
09:30 Imre Samu <<a
href="mailto:pella.samu@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">pella.samu@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> which is now being translated into
multiple languages, <br>
> and which we hope will be ready for release in
several languages on or about January 15<sup>th</sup>.<br>
<br>
Is it possible to add a "Simple/Basic English" [1]
translation as an experiment ?
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<div>So expecting:<br>
- basic english words ( <=1000 basic words) <br>
- basic grammar , no short forms ( so 'you're'
--> 'you are' ) </div>
<div>- basic OSM knowledge ( no special words like:
SotM )<br>
</div>
<div> - "State of the Map conference" -->
"OpenStreetMap conference"</div>
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<div>probably too late for this survey ... maybe in
the future.</div>
<div><br>
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IMHO: We need to invent a <b>polite MapSpeak </b>language<b>
</b>( ~ OpenStreetMap Community Mappers
Communication Phrases )
<div> ( ~ "designed to facilitate <b>non-violent
communication </b>between mappers" ) <span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">like
a Seaspeak [2]</span>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span>
<div>thanks</div>
<div> Imre</div>
<div> ( native hungarian, from a country with
~20% total English speakers[3] )</div>
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<div>[1] <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English</a></div>
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<div>[2] <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaspeak"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaspeak</a></div>
<div>[3] <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Allan Mustard <<a
href="mailto:allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org</a>>
ezt írta (időpont: 2021. jan. 10., V, 2:47):<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Fellow mappers and OSM
community members,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The OpenStreetMap
Foundation Board of Directors has prepared a
survey, which is now being translated into
multiple languages, and which we hope will
be ready for release in several languages on
or about January 15<sup>th</sup>. Please be
on the lookout for announcement of it, and
please alert your colleagues through other
communications channels (social media, talk
channels, whatever) that it is coming and to
be on the lookout for it. Please feel free
to amplify this message in other languages
and through other comms channels. We want
maximum participation in the survey! We
want to know what you are thinking! Please
participate in the survey when it comes out,
and please alert others so they participate,
too! </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">While I have your
attention, Happy New Year—let’s hope we can
soon put COVID-19 behind us, all get
vaccinated, and look forward to a mappier
2021!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">apm</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:9pt">Allan Mustard</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:9pt">Chairperson, Board
of Directors</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:9pt">OpenStreetMap
Foundation</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:9pt"><a
href="http://www.osmfoundation.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.osmfoundation.org</a></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:9pt"><a
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.openstreetmap.org</a></span></i></p>
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