<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Re: "<span style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">As a statistical economist, believe it or not I have actually run surveys in the past, so am not a complete novice, but if you have the names of people you'd like the Board to talk to about surveys, please PM me."</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">We are not questioning your competency or experience or expertise. We are asking for transparency about the intentions of this survey and how it was made.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Since you are an English-speaking American (like me), even though you have international relations experience and survey experience, it is quite possible that you and the others who developed the survey have included implicit biases.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">It is also possible that your pre-conceptions have led to questions which presume a certain outcome. </span></div><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Please read </span> <a href="http://blog.imagico.de/on-surveying-the-surveyors/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.imagico.de/on-surveying-the-surveyors/</a> and respond especially to this comment about a previous survey: </div><div><br></div><div><i>"<span style="color:rgb(119,119,119);font-family:"Droid Sans",arial,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px">Due to the cultural diversity of the OSM community surveying the views of this community in a representative form is practically impossible. The survey the OSMF board made does not actually try to do this"</span></i></div><div><span style="color:rgb(119,119,119);font-family:"Droid Sans",arial,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px"><br></span></div>Do you consider this survey to be an attempt to get a representative sample of views from the wider community? <br><br>Do you expect to make changes to the OSMF board plans and priorities based on new ideas or unexpected problems brought up by the survey?<div><font color="#777777" face="Droid Sans, arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:15.199999809265137px"><br></span></font></div><div>Or do you expect the results to<span style="color:rgb(119,119,119);font-family:"Droid Sans",arial,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px"><i> "more or less confirm the image [you have] of the views and priorities of the more articulated parts of the English speaking parts of the international OSM community].</i></span><font color="#777777" face="Droid Sans, arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:15.199999809265137px"><br></span></font></div><div><br></div><div>-- Joseph Eisenberg</div><div><br></div><div>-- Joseph Eisenberg</div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 8:43 AM Allan Mustard <<a href="mailto:allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org">allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">John: We are casting
the net as widely as possible, so please amplify this message
through your preferred communications channels. We will
circulate the URL for the survey via talk lists, which will
allow anyone with a valid email address to request a single-use
token that will allow the respondent to participate in the
survey once. In theory individuals with multiple email
addresses could respond multiple times, but we will abide by the
OSM Etiquette Guidelines and "assume good faith". The target
audience is the broad OSM community--anybody who creates,
supports, or uses OSM data. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">As a statistical
economist, believe it or not I have actually run surveys in the
past, so am not a complete novice, but if you have the names of
people you'd like the Board to talk to about surveys, please PM
me.</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Imre: Lime Survey
allows only one entry for English. BTW, if you live in
Budapest, stop by Gerbeaud's and have a piece of Dobos tort for
me...</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">cheers,<br>
apm </font><br>
</p>
<div>On 1/10/2021 9:56 AM, john whelan
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">One of the biggest problems is the sample.
Ideally you need to decide on your target audience. Is it
anyone who has ever signed up or anyone who has mapped more than
five times in the last two years? Or even anyone who has an
interest? That could be consumers of the data.
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<div dir="auto">I'd suggest a random sample, extract a list of
users who meet the criteria. Then look at the sample size.
There are mathematical rules about how large a sample size
should be.</div>
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<div dir="auto">You have their email addreses, check the privacy
laws but I think you should be able to contact them directly.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Ballot stuffing, send the link with number in it
so it can only be used once.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Respondent burden, if you sample 10% twice a
year that should give you enough information and mean you
don't bug people very often.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Talk to people who run surveys.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Cheerio John<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 09:30
Imre Samu <<a href="mailto:pella.samu@gmail.com" target="_blank">pella.samu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> which is now being translated into
multiple languages, <br>
> and which we hope will be ready for release in several
languages on or about January 15<sup>th</sup>.<br>
<br>
Is it possible to add a "Simple/Basic English" [1]
translation as an experiment ?
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<div>So expecting:<br>
- basic english words ( <=1000 basic words) <br>
- basic grammar , no short forms ( so 'you're' -->
'you are' ) </div>
<div>- basic OSM knowledge ( no special words like: SotM )<br>
</div>
<div> - "State of the Map conference" -->
"OpenStreetMap conference"</div>
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<div>probably too late for this survey ... maybe in the
future.</div>
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IMHO: We need to invent a <b>polite MapSpeak </b>language<b>
</b>( ~ OpenStreetMap Community Mappers Communication
Phrases )
<div> ( ~ "designed to facilitate <b>non-violent
communication </b>between mappers" ) <span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">like
a Seaspeak [2]</span>
<div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span>
<div>thanks</div>
<div> Imre</div>
<div> ( native hungarian, from a country with ~20%
total English speakers[3] )</div>
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<div>[1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English</a></div>
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<div>[2] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaspeak" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaspeak</a></div>
<div>[3] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Allan Mustard <<a href="mailto:allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org</a>>
ezt írta (időpont: 2021. jan. 10., V, 2:47):<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Fellow mappers and OSM community
members,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The OpenStreetMap Foundation
Board of Directors has prepared a survey, which is
now being translated into multiple languages, and
which we hope will be ready for release in several
languages on or about January 15<sup>th</sup>.
Please be on the lookout for announcement of it, and
please alert your colleagues through other
communications channels (social media, talk
channels, whatever) that it is coming and to be on
the lookout for it. Please feel free to amplify
this message in other languages and through other
comms channels. We want maximum participation in
the survey! We want to know what you are thinking!
Please participate in the survey when it comes out,
and please alert others so they participate, too! </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">While I have your attention,
Happy New Year—let’s hope we can soon put COVID-19
behind us, all get vaccinated, and look forward to a
mappier 2021!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p>
<div style="border-style:none none solid;border-bottom-width:1pt;border-bottom-color:windowtext;padding:0in 0in 1pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">apm</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9pt">Allan
Mustard</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9pt">Chairperson,
Board of Directors</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9pt">OpenStreetMap
Foundation</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9pt"><a href="http://www.osmfoundation.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.osmfoundation.org</a></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9pt"><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org</a></span></i></p>
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