<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 9:53 AM Allan Mustard <<a href="mailto:allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org">allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">We are asking for
        optional demographic data so we can gauge bias in the sample.</font></p></div></blockquote><div>Self-selection bias is not just about some demographics being over or under represented. It is about people's likelihood of responding being correlated with their answers.  <br></div><div><br></div><div>Mike<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p><br>
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    <div>On 1/10/2021 11:47 AM, John Whelan
      wrote:<br>
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      Sounds good to me.  One problem is self selection so as long as
      you are aware of it that's fine.<br>
      <br>
      Cheerio John <br>
      <br>
      <span>Allan Mustard wrote on 2021-01-10 11:38:</span><br>
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        <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">John:  We are
            casting the net as widely as possible, so please amplify
            this message through your preferred communications
            channels.  We will circulate the URL for the survey via talk
            lists, which will allow anyone with a valid email address to
            request a single-use token that will allow the respondent to
            participate in the survey once.  In theory individuals with
            multiple email addresses could respond multiple times, but
            we will abide by the OSM Etiquette Guidelines and "assume
            good faith".  The target audience is the broad OSM
            community--anybody who creates, supports, or uses OSM data. 
            <br>
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        <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">As a statistical
            economist, believe it or not I have actually run surveys in
            the past, so am not a complete novice, but if you have the
            names of people you'd like the Board to talk to about
            surveys, please PM me.</font></p>
        <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Imre:  Lime Survey
            allows only one entry for English.  BTW, if you live in
            Budapest, stop by Gerbeaud's and have a piece of Dobos tort
            for me...</font></p>
        <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">cheers,<br>
            apm  </font><br>
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        <div>On 1/10/2021 9:56 AM, john whelan
          wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="auto">One of the biggest problems is the sample. 
            Ideally you need to decide on your target audience.  Is it
            anyone who has ever signed up or anyone who has mapped more
            than five times in the last two years?  Or even anyone who
            has an interest?  That could be consumers of the data.
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">I'd suggest a random sample, extract a list
              of users who meet the criteria.  Then look at the sample
              size.  There are mathematical rules about how large a
              sample size should be.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">You have their email addreses, check the
              privacy laws but I think you should be able to contact
              them directly.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Ballot stuffing, send the link with number
              in it so it can only be used once.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Respondent burden, if you sample 10% twice a
              year that should give you enough information and mean you
              don't bug people very often.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Talk to people who run surveys.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Cheerio John<br>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
              </div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
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                <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021,
              09:30 Imre Samu <<a href="mailto:pella.samu@gmail.com" target="_blank">pella.samu@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">> which is now being translated into
                multiple languages, <br>
                > and which we hope will be ready for release in
                several languages on or about January 15<sup>th</sup>.<br>
                <br>
                Is it possible to add a "Simple/Basic English" [1] 
                translation as an experiment ?
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>So expecting:<br>
                  -  basic english words ( <=1000 basic words) <br>
                  -  basic grammar , no short forms  ( so 'you're'
                  --> 'you are' ) </div>
                <div>-  basic OSM knowledge ( no special words like:
                  SotM )<br>
                </div>
                <div>   - "State of the Map conference"  -->
                  "OpenStreetMap conference"</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>probably too late for this survey ... maybe in the
                  future.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                IMHO:   We need to invent a <b>polite MapSpeak </b>language<b>
                </b>( ~ OpenStreetMap Community Mappers Communication
                Phrases )
                <div>    (  ~ "designed to facilitate <b>non-violent
                    communication </b>between mappers" ) <span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">like
                    a Seaspeak [2]</span>
                  <div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span>
                    <div>thanks</div>
                    <div>  Imre</div>
                    <div>  ( native hungarian,  from a country with ~20%
                      total English speakers[3] )</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div>[1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English</a></div>
                    </div>
                    <div>[2] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaspeak" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaspeak</a></div>
                    <div>[3] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population</a></div>
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                    <div><br>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Allan Mustard <<a href="mailto:allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org</a>>
                  ezt írta (időpont: 2021. jan. 10., V, 2:47):<br>
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                  <div lang="EN-US">
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Fellow mappers and OSM
                        community members,</p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">The OpenStreetMap Foundation
                        Board of Directors has prepared a survey, which
                        is now being translated into multiple languages,
                        and which we hope will be ready for release in
                        several languages on or about January 15<sup>th</sup>. 
                        Please be on the lookout for announcement of it,
                        and please alert your colleagues through other
                        communications channels (social media, talk
                        channels, whatever) that it is coming and to be
                        on the lookout for it.  Please feel free to
                        amplify this message in other languages and
                        through other comms channels.  We want maximum
                        participation in the survey!  We want to know
                        what you are thinking!  Please participate in
                        the survey when it comes out, and please alert
                        others so they participate, too!  </p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">While I have your attention,
                        Happy New Year—let’s hope we can soon put
                        COVID-19 behind us, all get vaccinated, and look
                        forward to a mappier 2021!</p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">apm</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9pt">Allan Mustard</span></i></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9pt">Chairperson, Board of
                            Directors</span></i></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9pt">OpenStreetMap
                            Foundation</span></i></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9pt"><a href="http://www.osmfoundation.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.osmfoundation.org</a></span></i></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9pt"><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org</a></span></i></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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          <i>Board of Directors</i><br>
          <i>OpenStreetMap Foundation</i></div>
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