<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 9:53 AM Allan Mustard <<a href="mailto:allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org">allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">We are asking for
optional demographic data so we can gauge bias in the sample.</font></p></div></blockquote><div>Self-selection bias is not just about some demographics being over or under represented. It is about people's likelihood of responding being correlated with their answers. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Mike<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p><br>
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<div>On 1/10/2021 11:47 AM, John Whelan
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Sounds good to me. One problem is self selection so as long as
you are aware of it that's fine.<br>
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Cheerio John <br>
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<span>Allan Mustard wrote on 2021-01-10 11:38:</span><br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">John: We are
casting the net as widely as possible, so please amplify
this message through your preferred communications
channels. We will circulate the URL for the survey via talk
lists, which will allow anyone with a valid email address to
request a single-use token that will allow the respondent to
participate in the survey once. In theory individuals with
multiple email addresses could respond multiple times, but
we will abide by the OSM Etiquette Guidelines and "assume
good faith". The target audience is the broad OSM
community--anybody who creates, supports, or uses OSM data.
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">As a statistical
economist, believe it or not I have actually run surveys in
the past, so am not a complete novice, but if you have the
names of people you'd like the Board to talk to about
surveys, please PM me.</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Imre: Lime Survey
allows only one entry for English. BTW, if you live in
Budapest, stop by Gerbeaud's and have a piece of Dobos tort
for me...</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">cheers,<br>
apm </font><br>
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<div>On 1/10/2021 9:56 AM, john whelan
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<div dir="auto">One of the biggest problems is the sample.
Ideally you need to decide on your target audience. Is it
anyone who has ever signed up or anyone who has mapped more
than five times in the last two years? Or even anyone who
has an interest? That could be consumers of the data.
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<div dir="auto">I'd suggest a random sample, extract a list
of users who meet the criteria. Then look at the sample
size. There are mathematical rules about how large a
sample size should be.</div>
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<div dir="auto">You have their email addreses, check the
privacy laws but I think you should be able to contact
them directly.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Ballot stuffing, send the link with number
in it so it can only be used once.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Respondent burden, if you sample 10% twice a
year that should give you enough information and mean you
don't bug people very often.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Talk to people who run surveys.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Cheerio John<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021,
09:30 Imre Samu <<a href="mailto:pella.samu@gmail.com" target="_blank">pella.samu@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> which is now being translated into
multiple languages, <br>
> and which we hope will be ready for release in
several languages on or about January 15<sup>th</sup>.<br>
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Is it possible to add a "Simple/Basic English" [1]
translation as an experiment ?
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<div>So expecting:<br>
- basic english words ( <=1000 basic words) <br>
- basic grammar , no short forms ( so 'you're'
--> 'you are' ) </div>
<div>- basic OSM knowledge ( no special words like:
SotM )<br>
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<div> - "State of the Map conference" -->
"OpenStreetMap conference"</div>
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<div>probably too late for this survey ... maybe in the
future.</div>
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IMHO: We need to invent a <b>polite MapSpeak </b>language<b>
</b>( ~ OpenStreetMap Community Mappers Communication
Phrases )
<div> ( ~ "designed to facilitate <b>non-violent
communication </b>between mappers" ) <span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">like
a Seaspeak [2]</span>
<div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span>
<div>thanks</div>
<div> Imre</div>
<div> ( native hungarian, from a country with ~20%
total English speakers[3] )</div>
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<div>[1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English</a></div>
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<div>[2] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaspeak" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaspeak</a></div>
<div>[3] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Allan Mustard <<a href="mailto:allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org</a>>
ezt írta (időpont: 2021. jan. 10., V, 2:47):<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Fellow mappers and OSM
community members,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The OpenStreetMap Foundation
Board of Directors has prepared a survey, which
is now being translated into multiple languages,
and which we hope will be ready for release in
several languages on or about January 15<sup>th</sup>.
Please be on the lookout for announcement of it,
and please alert your colleagues through other
communications channels (social media, talk
channels, whatever) that it is coming and to be
on the lookout for it. Please feel free to
amplify this message in other languages and
through other comms channels. We want maximum
participation in the survey! We want to know
what you are thinking! Please participate in
the survey when it comes out, and please alert
others so they participate, too! </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">While I have your attention,
Happy New Year—let’s hope we can soon put
COVID-19 behind us, all get vaccinated, and look
forward to a mappier 2021!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">apm</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9pt">Allan Mustard</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9pt">Chairperson, Board of
Directors</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9pt">OpenStreetMap
Foundation</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9pt"><a href="http://www.osmfoundation.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.osmfoundation.org</a></span></i></p>
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