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<p>Hi Erwin</p>
<p>That's no secret at all
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editor_usage_stats" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editor_usage_stats</a></p>
<p>The user based numbers are a bit misleading because the large
number of "exactly one time" contributors that typically use iD
inflate the overall number, and the edit based numbers have a
similar issue in that they contain lots of bots and scripts. But
as a rough indicator they are both good.<br>
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this in a response in the SwiftAddress thread. Do you mind
saying what are those editing apps with more than 1% of the
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<div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I would interpret it
as enough users are interested in them for one reason or
another.<br>
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Am 23.01.2021 um 13:13 schrieb Yves:<br>
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> Le 23 janvier 2021 11:20:19 GMT+01:00, Simon Poole <<a href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" target="_blank">simon@poole.ch</a>> a écrit :<br>
>> I don't quite understand why, outside of a
specialized keyboard, you are<br>
>> reinventing the wheel<br>
> The pleasure of building something from the ground up,
joy of developing an App, maybe?<br>
> I hope you did not forgot it, Simon.<br>
> A wealthy environment should be more welcoming to new
players.<br>
> Yves<br>
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There are<br>
<br>
- limited edits to go around<br>
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- limited developer time to go around<br>
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- limited user interest and attention.<br>
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The more fragmented the OSM app market place the more and
more difficult <br>
it gets to have a viable number of users, yes every new app
takes away <br>
edits from the existing apps (and no, the rising tide
analogy does not <br>
apply here). At least for all non-commercially developed OSM
software <br>
this would seem to be the only metric to indicate if
investing the <br>
required work makes sense or not. Of the roughly 30 editing
apps, only 9 <br>
have a share of more than 1% of the total user market
(roughly 3'000 <br>
contributors in absolute numbers) and for the rest it falls
off really <br>
quickly. And while you could admire people that carry on
maintaining an <br>
app for 40 users, there is no denying that it doesn't make
sense for OSM <br>
as a whole at all.<br>
<br>
This is not an argument against change and improvements, but
about <br>
leaving ones ego aside and investing the time and effort in
to bettering <br>
existing applications. BTW just as I did when I decided to
invest time <br>
in to improving an existing app, instead of creating a new
one.<br>
<br>
This doesn't apply just to editing software, it is (somewhat
driven by <br>
the nature of OSM and historically little central software
development) <br>
rampant all over the place, for example notoriously
geocoding software <br>
where there seems to be at leas a couple of new entrants
every year <br>
which then go away again just as fast.<br>
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Simon<br>
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