<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 12/01/2021 14:43, Alejandro Moreno wrote:<br>> A few years ago there was a decision about the maritime borders of <br>> Ceuta and Melilla (Spanish cities surrounded by Morocco) and it was <br>> settled at <br>> <a href="https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=606038#p606038" target="_blank">https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=606038#p606038</a> <br>> <<a href="https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=606038#p606038" target="_blank">https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=606038#p606038</a>><br>><br>To be clear, that forum thread wasn't primarily about the _maritime_ <br>borders but about the status of the _land_. I do agree that a <br>discussion about the meritime borders makes sense though.<br><br><br>> Nowadays relation are erased and now the maritime borders look bad at <br>> OSM as the area belonging to Spain does not appear on the map and <br>> "territorial waters" aren't in the relation of Spain border. The <br>> commentary on <br>> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/49804213#map=8/35.315/-1.862" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/49804213#map=8/35.315/-1.862</a> <br>> <<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/49804213#map=8/35.315/-1.862" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/49804213#map=8/35.315/-1.862</a>> <br>> explains why the waters of Ceuta and Melilla are Spanish territory.<br><br>Of the two sites referenced there, <a href="http://www.gibnet.com/fish/waters.htm" target="_blank">http://www.gibnet.com/fish/waters.htm</a> <br>does not mention Ceuta and Melilla at all - it merely states the UK <br>claim re Gribraltar that British Sovereignty of Gibraltar's "land <br>territory" entitles it to Sovereignty of "a sea belt adjacent to its <br>coast.".<br><br>It would be good to see a visualisation of what the other site, <br><a href="https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/data/maritime-boundaries#tab-gis-data" target="_blank">https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/data/maritime-boundaries#tab-gis-data</a> <br>, covers and what the claim actually is.<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Whoever disagrees with the maritime border should be the one to justify it since, unless proven otherwise, every territory with a coastline has territorial waters.
>From United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea ( <a href="https://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf">https://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf</a> page 27 ) "The sovereignty of a coastal State extends, beyond its land territoryand internal waters and, in the case of an archipelagic State, its archipelagicwaters, to an adjacent belt of sea, described as the territorial sea."
<br><br>As a source, <a href="http://www.seaaroundus.org/data/#/eez" target="_blank">http://www.seaaroundus.org/data/#/eez</a> can be used to see the territorial waters of Ceuta and Melilla that is equal to EEZ. For me is difficult to find any other source of
maritime border.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Missing in all this is the position of Morocco - can anyone point to a <br>statement there?<br><br>Best Regards,<br><br>Andy (from the DWG)</blockquote></div>
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