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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Feb 3, 2021, 16:48 by michael.montani95@gmail.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(46,51,56);font-family:Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:15px" class="" id="gmail-magicdomid1907"><div>Dear Mateusz and all,<br></div><div><br></div><div>First of all, let us clarify that the way you are tackling this issue is not the way we solve issues in OSM. You have been writing a wiki [1] documenting a presumed undiscussed import <br></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Sorry for a mistaken classifying it as an import.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(46,51,56);font-family:Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:15px" class="" id="gmail-magicdomid1907"><div> In fact, you have written a wiki with many unfounded claims<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div>I am pretty sure that ones that were based on misunderstanding are gone,<br></div><div>ones that are outdated are marked as fixed. Let me know if anything is missing<br></div><div>and requires change.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Again sorry for being sure that it is an import but I was pretty sure that it<br></div><div>is an import.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(46,51,56);font-family:Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:15px" class="" id="gmail-magicdomid1907"><div>, without waiting a reasonable time for an answer, that came just hours after you posted your questions in the changeset, with the involved user telling you clearly that this is not an import.<br></div><div>As an organisation we are doing our best in fulfilling OEG and to correct/improve any issues that may arise. <br></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(46,51,56);font-family:Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:15px" class="" id="gmail-magicdomid1907"><div>We would like, as an organisation and before taking action, to be contacted by the community on our possible errors<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div>I did exactly this, I have not made any reverts to any data in that area.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(46,51,56);font-family:Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:15px" class="" id="gmail-magicdomid1907"><div>, as well as we do contact mappers and local OSM communities about all our activities, both to engage with them and warning them about issues that may happen.<br></div><div><br></div><div>When some problems arise in OSM, we usually contact the changeset user before taking any action, in order to understand the full picture of community activity. Let's wrap up what happened (times in UTC):<br></div><div> - We have been notified by Mateusz through a changeset discussion about his claim of un undiscussed import Feb 2nd at 23:24: [3]<br></div><div> - The wiki [4] about this claimed undiscussed import was soon created Feb 3rd at 07:49 [5]<br></div><div> - A colleague of us saw the changeset discussion this morning Feb 3rd at 08:18, and answered promptly, specifying source=UNIS it's not an import.<br></div><div> - After that, Mateusz went on raising issues [6] and spreading the problem [7], without waiting any time to discuss with us about solutions and how we can improve together.<br></div><div><br></div><div>This way to handle the issues seems to us very impolite. As an OEA, we have to contact mappers for whatever we do or plan to do and wait for an answer. We would need reasonable time to process the issues as well, and to have the community helping us adjust issues rather than being accused of unfounded behaviours.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div>It seems that my main mistake was treating <br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny/handle_landuse_in_central_Africa,_mostly_East_Congo">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny/handle_landuse_in_central_Africa,_mostly_East_Congo</a><br></div><div>as a draft of what I know rather than as a public website containing strongly<br></div><div>negative comments.<br></div><div><br></div><div>It would be smarter to not publish anything at all in public, except changeset comment.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Though a JOSM ticket: <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/20451">https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/20451</a> seems perfectly fine -<br></div><div>it is a proposal to give early feedback to other that would be making the same mistake.<br></div><div><br></div><div><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2021-February/086083.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2021-February/086083.html</a> was intended<br></div><div>to clarify whatever bundling of multiple edits can qualify as import (answer is that I was<br></div><div>mistaken and this has not qualified as import) <br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(46,51,56);font-family:Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:15px" class="" id="gmail-magicdomid1907"><div>UNIS is a collection of UN-managed satellite imagery that internal mappers are using, together with other available imagery like Bing, Maxar or Esri, to directly map, with the JOSM editor, features like road network, waterways, landuse and landcover, etc. No user is producing data outside of JOSM, or using other sources than legal aerial imagery. Every internal mapper is mapping using JOSM on a normal office PC station, with good Internet connection.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Can you document it at <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Unite_Maps_Initiative/UN_Mappers">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Unite_Maps_Initiative/UN_Mappers</a> <br></div><div>especially what kind of licensing is applied to it (to confirm that it is usable for OSM mapping)?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Maybe even directly at <br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=UNIS_(UN_imagery)&action=edit&redlink=1">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=UNIS_(UN_imagery)&action=edit&redlink=1</a><br></div><div>or<br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UNIS">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UNIS</a> ?<br></div><div>I see that it is planned, it would be highly appreciated (one of first things that I did was<br></div><div>to search for UNIS at OSM Wiki and in other places such as<br></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unis">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unis</a><br></div><div><a href="https://duckduckgo.com/?t=canonical&q=UNIS&ia=web">https://duckduckgo.com/?t=canonical&q=UNIS&ia=web</a><br></div><div><a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=UNIS">https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=UNIS</a><br></div><div>)<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(46,51,56);font-family:Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:15px" class="" id="gmail-magicdomid1907"><div>We really wish you could point out all the issues in our OEG setting, and how we can improve to be compliant with the expectations of the community.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div>What you mean by "point out all the issues in our OEG setting"?<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div> </body>
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