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someone changing e.g.
"highway=pirmary" to "highway=primary", and if someone says "I want my
highway=pirmary leaving as they are" I'm sure the rest of their local
OSM community will point out the error of their ways.
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<span style="font-family: Verdana;">That hasn't always been my
experience, but there again it was about </span><span
style="font-family: Verdana;"></span><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span
style="font-size: 15px;">highway=traffic_signals or
highway=traffic_lights rather than highway=primary <br>
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Cheerio John</span></span><br>
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<br>... largely by restricting the use of dumb automated tools and by
actually _having_ an "Automated Edits code of conduct".
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<br>That doesn't mean that we should stop someone changing e.g.
"highway=pirmary" to "highway=primary", and if someone says "I want my
highway=pirmary leaving as they are" I'm sure the rest of their local
OSM community will point out the error of their ways.
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<br>It does mean that tagfiddling between e.g. "contact:phone" and
"phone"
(or vice versa) when both are in use is probably unhelpful.
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agree. Part of OSMs future is using automatic imports and AI
specificially as well. Quality problems can be solved when they occurr.
We managed to maintain a map with higher quality data than Google. Why
also not repeating the story with automated edits and AI?<br><br>I feel
that some OSM members are rather old-fashioned about automated edits and
AI than modern and looking forward in using modern technology for the
good of humankind as we previously did and do with OSM. But that opt out
stands as a wall and preventing that.<br><br>Another fact: Not only a
single person edits an object but multiple users do. So complying with
wishes from individual users lead to inequality of data since the tag
the user touched is blocked for changes made by automated edits (applies
to all tags world wide the user touched and get altered by the
automated edit). It leads to inequality because all other objects
surrounding the object the user touched having the same tags in question
get altered. This is like having a B in a field of many As' and when it
comes to e.g. replacing Key:diaper with Key:changing_tables and an user
does not want this to happen on Key:diaper tags they added it leads to
that apps like Babykarte dropping support for Key:diaper going to ignore
the tag the user added. This is because how a developer is going to
thing: Why should I support Key:diaper because only this one user things
that the automated edit which made my live and the lives of others
easier would had their work destroyed? A developer is definitely going
to say, I will simply ignore Key:diaper completely and only support the
newer Key:changing_table . This decision leads of course to not
displaying changing table information on this single object because of
lack of support for Key:diaper.<br><br>Do you really want single users
to prevent/slowing down the future as the German party CDU/CSU does?
German politics as exercised by CDU/CSU work in the way of slowing down
future as long as "old people" not open to changes happening to their
surroundings are pleased. There is a reason why young people like me do
not vote for CDU/CSU. We should not act like Berlin, we should be open
but also critical to new technology, learning to use it and then make it
to help us by setting up our own guidelines and standards or adapting
existing ones (perhaps with modifications to it).<br><br>Cheer you all<br><br>Sören
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<div>I propose to remove <br></div><div><br></div><div>"Respect "opt
out" requests, i.e. if someone contacts you and asks<br></div><div>you
to
stop making automated edits to things that they have edited,<br></div><div>you
must
comply with that wish, and you must modify your software<br></div><div>or
procedure to
leave those objects untouched in the future."<br></div><div><br></div><div>and<br></div><div><br></div><div>"Information
on how to "opt out""</div><div><br></div><div>from <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Either
automated edit makes sense and there is no good reason<br></div><div>to
exclude objects that were ever edited by specific person<br></div><div>or
automated edit makes no sense and would be rejected <br></div><div>during
review process.<br></div><div><br></div><div>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div><div><br></div><div>Disclaimers:<br></div><div><br></div><div>I
made some automated edits, I never encountered<br></div><div>anyone
requesting this, I am not aware about anyone requesting this,<br></div><div>I
am not aware about any case where it would made sense.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I
make fun of that requirement in my bot documentation.<br></div><div>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Note
that it is part of a more general problem:<br></div><div><br></div><div>Current
Automated Edits code of conduct is in quite ridiculous situation:<br></div><div>basically
all automated edits violate it completely or partially.<br></div><div>Look
at <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Automated_edits_log"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Automated_edits_log</a><br></div><div>-
half of pages are for my edits, and I am definitely making far less<br></div><div>than
half of automated edits in OSM.<br></div><div><br></div><div>It has an
interesting side effect that you can revert almost any automated edit,<br></div><div>because
it is done in violation of code of conduct.<br></div><div><br></div><div>It
would be useful to remove some of onerous and pointless requirements<br></div><div>and
keep just what actually matters.<br></div>
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