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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 15.03.2021 um 09:47 schrieb Phil
Wyatt:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Simon,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
am not sure the discord channel should be pulled from
community index as it provides yet another communication
channel for discussion of OSM that is convenient for many.
There are rules to the discord channels and if there has
been a breach of those rules then Bert should speak up. He
has now rejoined the channels and offered to discuss the
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<p>As I pointed out on the github issue: removing the server from
the index doesn't impact in any way the ability to use it, it just
removes the marketing for it.<br>
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<p>Simon<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers
- Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Simon Poole <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:simon@poole.ch"><simon@poole.ch></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 15 March 2021 7:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] Racist, insulting and
abusive comments on OSM related channels<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Bert<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I assume that you got directed to the Discord server in
question after editing with iD?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The thing to understand that neither the server itself, nor
the compilation of resources that led to you being sent there
(<a href="https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index</a>)
is in any way official or vetted. Particularly in the case of
channels that claim wide geographic reach this is problematic,
as essentially the only criteria for inclusion boils down to
"not already being in the list" and this can lead to a niche
group being presented in a way that is widely outside their
actual importance in the OSM ecosystem. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>So sorry for your experience. To resolve the matter I've
requested that the Discord server be removed from the list <a
href="https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/pull/424"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/pull/424</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Simon<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 14.03.2021 um 21:29 schrieb Bert
-Araali- Van Opstal:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Dear
all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This
is a call to our whole community, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
have become only recently active on OSM's community
channels. I am very welcomed, respected on the various
talk pages, and I appreciate that.<br>
The past month I have been following different alternative
channels, Telegram groups, WhatsApp groups, and...
Discord.<br>
</span>All of them using the OSM name, which for me stands
as a quality mark, not just as a trade mark. Being channels
that respect, values and understands different cultures,
different opinions, promotes decent and democratic
principles, respect the "etiquette" required of calling
yourself an OSM contributor, a member of this community.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>However, what I see on Discord, all under the OSM trade
name, sorry for the word... is disgusting.<br>
Whole communities being insulted (words I don't even dare to
use), remarks of non-English communities making "dumb"
remarks, vote lobbying for and against proposals because
they are made by "another" countries community member, it's
nearing to hate speech... really disgusting.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The ones who are on these channels know who and what I am
talking about, I kindly ask you, stop this please. This is
not welcome, highly inappropriate and not how you
communicate with your fellow human beings, your fellow OSM
contributor. Stop, go and look in the mirror, and ask
yourself what am I doing, is this how I want to be known in
a worldwide peaceful community ?<br>
<br>
I didn't file a compliant at the DWG, I didn't call this
subject to be handled in the OSMF board (yet), I first call
in this channel, and everyone who experiences the same,
feels the same discussed, speak out, comment on this
channel, because I don't want to be associated with a
channel that uses the OSM name where by some, not all not
the majority, but some, disguise and dis-value what we stand
for.<br>
And please, don't call names in your comments, it's not
limited to people from one country particular, one
community. Just express your concerns, and when this
behaviour doesn't change, we as a community can and will
take action, identify the malicious minds and practices, and
remand or ban them. Let your comment be their first warning.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Bert Araali<o:p></o:p></p>
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