<div dir="auto">Regarding this abstract duscussion: the real problem with this, and similar issues, who is going to maintain that enormous amount of data? </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 28 Apr 2021, 19:51 , <<a href="mailto:talk-request@openstreetmap.org">talk-request@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send talk mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Too much detail, or: mapping every single tree in a park<br>
(Dave F)<br>
2. Re: Too much detail, or: mapping every single tree in a park<br>
(James)<br>
3. Re: Too much detail, or: mapping every single tree in a park<br>
(john whelan)<br>
4. Re: Too much detail, or: mapping every single tree in a park<br>
(Mike Thompson)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 18:19:23 +0100<br>
From: Dave F <<a href="mailto:davefoxfac63@btinternet.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">davefoxfac63@btinternet.com</a>><br>
To: Skyler Hawthorne <<a href="mailto:osm@dead10ck.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">osm@dead10ck.com</a>>, osm-talk<br>
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Too much detail, or: mapping every single tree<br>
in a park<br>
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Hi<br>
<br>
Looks good to me.<br>
<br>
If it's physical & stationary, it can be mapped. How much time & detail <br>
is up to the individual mapper.<br>
<br>
What would be good is if renderers could render the canopy of the trees <br>
branches based on a tag indicating roughly the diameter such as canopy=8.<br>
<br>
The speed of panning in an editor is annoying. Potlatch has a real <br>
problem with a town where all the houses are mapped as nodes. <br>
Surprisingly if they're mapped as complex polygons it has no problem <br>
zooming around.<br>
<br>
DaveF<br>
<br>
<br>
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On 27/04/2021 04:02, Skyler Hawthorne wrote:<br>
> I came across this:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/42.71889/-73.78869" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/42.71889/-73.78869</a><br>
><br>
> And can't help but think that this serves no utility to anyone <br>
> whatsoever, and just takes up space and slows down map editors.<br>
><br>
> I hesitate to destroy the effort of someone who clearly spent a <br>
> significant amount of time meticulously mapping each tree, but... at <br>
> the same, does it really help anyone to know where each individual <br>
> tree is in a park?<br>
><br>
> Maybe I'm too pessimistic. What does everyone else think? Is there <br>
> such a thing as too much detail? Where do we draw the line?<br>
><br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:32:04 -0400<br>
From: James <<a href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">james2432@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Dave F <<a href="mailto:davefoxfac63@btinternet.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">davefoxfac63@btinternet.com</a>><br>
Cc: Skyler Hawthorne <<a href="mailto:osm@dead10ck.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">osm@dead10ck.com</a>>, osm-talk<br>
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Too much detail, or: mapping every single tree<br>
in a park<br>
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I'm for mapping trees, it can have helpful information about trees:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/45.43369/-75.56387" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/45.43369/-75.56387</a><br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4958732118#map=19/45.43427/-75.56282" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4958732118#map=19/45.43427/-75.56282</a><br>
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and not just the tree location itself<br>
<br>
just because YOU don't use the data, doesn't mean OTHERS can't<br>
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On Wed., Apr. 28, 2021, 1:25 p.m. Dave F via talk, <<a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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> Hi<br>
><br>
> Looks good to me.<br>
><br>
> If it's physical & stationary, it can be mapped. How much time & detail is<br>
> up to the individual mapper.<br>
><br>
> What would be good is if renderers could render the canopy of the trees<br>
> branches based on a tag indicating roughly the diameter such as canopy=8.<br>
><br>
> The speed of panning in an editor is annoying. Potlatch has a real problem<br>
> with a town where all the houses are mapped as nodes. Surprisingly if<br>
> they're mapped as complex polygons it has no problem zooming around.<br>
><br>
> DaveF<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 27/04/2021 04:02, Skyler Hawthorne wrote:<br>
><br>
> I came across this:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/42.71889/-73.78869" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/42.71889/-73.78869</a><br>
><br>
> And can't help but think that this serves no utility to anyone whatsoever,<br>
> and just takes up space and slows down map editors.<br>
><br>
> I hesitate to destroy the effort of someone who clearly spent a<br>
> significant amount of time meticulously mapping each tree, but... at the<br>
> same, does it really help anyone to know where each individual tree is in a<br>
> park?<br>
><br>
> Maybe I'm too pessimistic. What does everyone else think? Is there such a<br>
> thing as too much detail? Where do we draw the line?<br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> talk mailing listtalk@openstreetmap.orghttps://<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a><br>
><br>
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> _______________________________________________<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:44:05 -0400<br>
From: john whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: James <<a href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">james2432@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Dave F <<a href="mailto:davefoxfac63@btinternet.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">davefoxfac63@btinternet.com</a>>, osm-talk<br>
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Too much detail, or: mapping every single tree<br>
in a park<br>
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It's cheaper to add a note saying in memory of than pay for plaque so as<br>
soon as they are planted this year by the City there will be half a<br>
dozen trees in Ottawa with such a note together with a park bench.<br>
<br>
Cheerio John<br>
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 13:36 James <<a href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">james2432@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I'm for mapping trees, it can have helpful information about trees:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/45.43369/-75.56387" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/45.43369/-75.56387</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4958732118#map=19/45.43427/-75.56282" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4958732118#map=19/45.43427/-75.56282</a><br>
><br>
> and not just the tree location itself<br>
><br>
> just because YOU don't use the data, doesn't mean OTHERS can't<br>
><br>
> On Wed., Apr. 28, 2021, 1:25 p.m. Dave F via talk, <<a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi<br>
>><br>
>> Looks good to me.<br>
>><br>
>> If it's physical & stationary, it can be mapped. How much time & detail<br>
>> is up to the individual mapper.<br>
>><br>
>> What would be good is if renderers could render the canopy of the trees<br>
>> branches based on a tag indicating roughly the diameter such as canopy=8.<br>
>><br>
>> The speed of panning in an editor is annoying. Potlatch has a real<br>
>> problem with a town where all the houses are mapped as nodes. Surprisingly<br>
>> if they're mapped as complex polygons it has no problem zooming around.<br>
>><br>
>> DaveF<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 27/04/2021 04:02, Skyler Hawthorne wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I came across this:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/42.71889/-73.78869" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/42.71889/-73.78869</a><br>
>><br>
>> And can't help but think that this serves no utility to anyone<br>
>> whatsoever, and just takes up space and slows down map editors.<br>
>><br>
>> I hesitate to destroy the effort of someone who clearly spent a<br>
>> significant amount of time meticulously mapping each tree, but... at the<br>
>> same, does it really help anyone to know where each individual tree is in a<br>
>> park?<br>
>><br>
>> Maybe I'm too pessimistic. What does everyone else think? Is there such a<br>
>> thing as too much detail? Where do we draw the line?<br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> talk mailing listtalk@openstreetmap.orghttps://<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> talk mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
>> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a><br>
>><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 11:47:56 -0600<br>
From: Mike Thompson <<a href="mailto:miketho16@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">miketho16@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: James <<a href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">james2432@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Too much detail, or: mapping every single tree<br>
in a park<br>
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I often map individual trees. This information is useful, for example, to<br>
a hiker it says: "at this point in your hike you will come to a relatively<br>
open area with a few scattered trees" (useful as a navigational aid, and<br>
perhaps for selecting a campsite).<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 11:36 AM James <<a href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">james2432@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> I'm for mapping trees, it can have helpful information about trees:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/45.43369/-75.56387" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/45.43369/-75.56387</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4958732118#map=19/45.43427/-75.56282" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4958732118#map=19/45.43427/-75.56282</a><br>
><br>
> and not just the tree location itself<br>
><br>
> just because YOU don't use the data, doesn't mean OTHERS can't<br>
><br>
> On Wed., Apr. 28, 2021, 1:25 p.m. Dave F via talk, <<a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi<br>
>><br>
>> Looks good to me.<br>
>><br>
>> If it's physical & stationary, it can be mapped. How much time & detail<br>
>> is up to the individual mapper.<br>
>><br>
>> What would be good is if renderers could render the canopy of the trees<br>
>> branches based on a tag indicating roughly the diameter such as canopy=8.<br>
>><br>
>> The speed of panning in an editor is annoying. Potlatch has a real<br>
>> problem with a town where all the houses are mapped as nodes. Surprisingly<br>
>> if they're mapped as complex polygons it has no problem zooming around.<br>
>><br>
>> DaveF<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 27/04/2021 04:02, Skyler Hawthorne wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I came across this:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/42.71889/-73.78869" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/42.71889/-73.78869</a><br>
>><br>
>> And can't help but think that this serves no utility to anyone<br>
>> whatsoever, and just takes up space and slows down map editors.<br>
>><br>
>> I hesitate to destroy the effort of someone who clearly spent a<br>
>> significant amount of time meticulously mapping each tree, but... at the<br>
>> same, does it really help anyone to know where each individual tree is in a<br>
>> park?<br>
>><br>
>> Maybe I'm too pessimistic. What does everyone else think? Is there such a<br>
>> thing as too much detail? Where do we draw the line?<br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> talk mailing listtalk@openstreetmap.orghttps://<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
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