<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style>
</head>
<body dir="ltr">
<div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
hey
<div>The international name is written in the <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name" title="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name">
int_name </a>tag, and the basic rule on OSM is to put the name on the ground, see:</div>
<div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes#On_the_Ground_Rule" title="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes#On_the_Ground_Rule">On_the_Ground_Rule</a>.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
As for the vandalism, we blame the community for witnessing it and we saw racist responses and support in the Iranian OSM community group (these posts were for the time being after this discussion was raised) and we only saw one person who denounced it and
the community did nothing to reverse or stop it.<br>
</div>
<div>
<div id="appendonsend"></div>
<div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Regards</div>
<div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Abdullah<br>
</div>
<hr tabindex="-1" style="display:inline-block; width:98%">
<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Mostafa Ahangarha <ahangarha@riseup.net><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 28, 2021 11:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> talk@openstreetmap.org <talk@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSM-talk] Persian/Arabian Gulf Tagging</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt">
<div class="PlainText">Hi,<br>
<br>
I read whole of the discussion. First I wanted to thank most of the <br>
participants for their efforts to keep the discussion in point.<br>
<br>
I believe when there is dispute, the name tag should either use the <br>
official name (recognized by the higher authorities, which in this case <br>
is UN) or get removed completely. I am fine with either choices to be <br>
made. Discussion over population, length of border, etc. wouldn't help <br>
in such cases. There is a big regional conflict on this issue and at <br>
least UN still recognizes what has been recognized historically. Till <br>
the time UN has not changed its decision, using any other name that <br>
Persian Gulf or خلیج فارس for name tag is wrong.<br>
<br>
I strongly suggest to use country+language tag for what local people <br>
use. It shouldn't be limited to language since not only there are Arabs <br>
in Iran but also many people around the gulf, use map in English <br>
version. So there should be country+language tag which was discussed <br>
earlier and I support it.<br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
I just wanted to comment on one more thing. Li Yaqo mentioned that some <br>
Iranian changed the name of Arabian sea and complained that OSMIran <br>
didn't take any action on that. Same complain was about Caspian sea. It <br>
is not fare to expect so. OSMIran doesn't have responsibility or man <br>
power to monitor each and every changes made on OSM. I think the power <br>
of Free/Open Source projects is that every person or community can take <br>
care of what is related to them. In many cases, I might not be able to <br>
recognize wrong-hood of my action till the time I get feedback from the <br>
other party who got hurt by it. If the name of Caspian Sea was wrong for <br>
years, the international community and more importantly the people <br>
around the sea should be questioned for their lack of action to fix the <br>
issue. Same for Arabian Sea which was for sure a wrong action by a <br>
person who didn't know what he is doing. Let's avoid over reaction and <br>
make some blame of whole group of OSM contributors in Iran. Let's have <br>
logical expectation from each other.<br>
<br>
Thankfully OSM (unlike wikipedia) has many ways to recognized diversity <br>
in naming and tagging features. Let's embarrass and utilize these <br>
possibilities in our best capacity.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Regards,<br>
Mostafa Ahangarha<br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
talk mailing list<br>
talk@openstreetmap.org<br>
<a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a><br>
</div>
</span></font></div>
</div>
</body>
</html>