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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>As I explain before "name" tag must be the Arabic name used by
locals which is "الخليج العربي" because Arabs have:</p>
<p>82.5% of coastline length <br>
</p>
<p>94.1% of population of cities (over 100,000 population) located
at coastline of gulf<br>
</p>
<p>76.5% of population of administrate divisions located coastline
of gulf</p>
<p>So if we always care about 17.5%, 5.9% or 23.5% percent,
features will not have names or will have long compound names.</p>
<p>I will discuss some suggested solutions for this case:<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">على ١٨/١١/٤٢ ١١:١٩ ص، كتب Mostafa
Ahangarha:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:7a629883-1c1e-07d5-eaa7-d4f9dfab7936@riseup.net">I
believe when there is dispute, the name tag should either use the
official name (recognized by the higher authorities, which in this
case is UN) or get removed completely. I am fine with either
choices to be made. Discussion over population, length of border,
etc. wouldn't help in such cases. There is a big regional conflict
on this issue and at least UN still recognizes what has been
recognized historically. Till the time UN has not changed its
decision, using any other name that Persian Gulf or خلیج فارس for
name tag is wrong.
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<p>UN uses "Persian Gulf" in English more 91%[1] than "Arabian
Gulf" 9% [2] but in Arabic they use "الخليج العربي" [3] , but they
do not use "خليج فارس" [4] . "name" tag must be in local language
and the name of the gulf in local language used by UN is "الخليج
العربي" not "خليج فارس". <br>
</p>
<p>So UN way also guide as to Arabic name "الخليج العربي".</p>
<p>This behavior in naming is not in accordance with OSM rules, but
I discuss it with you to explain that it leads you to what you are
escaping from.</p>
<p>The OSM rules are clear that "name" tag for local names and
"int_name" from international names.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>There another issue in the English name of the Gulf (name:en) it
is conflicts with the golden OSM rule (On the Ground). The English
language is strongly used in The Arab Gulf countries: all road
signs road are in both Arabic and English, There are many daily
English newspapers in the Arab Gulf countries, The language of
commerce in UAE and Bahrain is the English all invoices are
written in English, All shop boards are written in both Arabic and
English. Is is widely spoken in the Arabian Gulf countries. <br>
</p>
<p>In English there tow names for the gulf one used be gulf locals
"Arabian Gulf", The second is not used by locals "Persian Gulf".
By using "On Ground Rule" the main English name (name:en) must be
"Arabian Gulf" and the other name "Persian Gulf" must be in
"alt_name:en".</p>
<p>If we care for Iranian sharing in Gulf (at most 23.5%) and want
to clear "name" tag or to put "A/B" We must in first care about
what the locals calling the gulf in strong using language.</p>
<p>For English name sharing "Persian Gulf" used (71.8%)[5] more than
"Arabian Gulf" (28.2%)[6]. <br>
</p>
<p><br>
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<p><br>
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<p>على ١٩/١١/٤٢ ٠٥:٣١ م، كتب Li Yaqo:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAGp0azPh1wOtArVGerJ+ekqyqgKU7_jSC6UkkXeb+WvQVqs6ag@mail.gmail.com">
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Frederik and OSM Mappers, <br>
<br>
After studying this case deeply, I see the best option to
solve this issue is solution "A/B" and here is why, <br>
The Mediterranean Sea had the same exact problem when the name
was disputed, and all parties concluded that the best thing is
just to remove the 'name' tag and keep the specific language
name tags. While it worked and finally there was some "peace"
then it started all over again, and the general 'name' tag was
readied again. <br>
After studying the Arabic/Persian Gulf situation I see
vandalism, profanity, And whole chaos all from the Iranian
side, So I believe the Iranian name will be added again over
and over if we set the 'name' tag to empty. <br>
The reason I suggested the name "A/B" because it will have the
Iranian name, so this will probably stop this chaos. Having
the name in "A/B" will definitely stop it since the same thing
happened in the Caspian Sea, and the dispute was over when the
Iranian name was in the general name tag with the other
languages as "A/B". <br>
So if we want to solve this, we need to see other examples of
how it was handled, empty 'name' tag failed, "A/B" name tag
worked and worked in the Caspian Sea, and we don't see more
Iranian vandalism in that sea. <br>
I hope both parties will agree on this, we need to hear from
the Arabs and the Iranians about this. <br>
<br>
Regards, <br>
Li Yaqo. <br>
<br>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 5:31
AM Frederik Ramm <<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" moz-do-not-send="true">frederik@remote.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
I have just reverted yet another unilateral edit to the Gulf
relation.<br>
<br>
I think it might be best to simply remove the name tag from
it <br>
altogehter. Then it will not be shown on the <a href="http://openstreetmap.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">openstreetmap.org</a>
map which <br>
isn't a big issue (many other water bodies are also not
shown), and <br>
anyone making their own map can choose which name:xx tag
they prefer and <br>
display that.<br>
<br>
Bye<br>
Frederik<br>
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<p>Using "A/B" solution in "name" tag is preferred than clearing
"name" tag because OSM validation programs declaring absent "name"
as issue and declaring some one who add it as issue resolver not
malicious user. <br>
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<p>[1] see
<<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aun.org+">https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aun.org+</a>"Persian+Gulf">.</p>
<p>[2] see
<<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aun.org+">https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aun.org+</a>"Arabian+Gulf">.</p>
<p>[3] see
<<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aun.org+">https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aun.org+</a>"الخليج+العربي">
there are 536 results.</p>
<p>[4] see
<<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aun.org+">https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aun.org+</a>"خليج+فارس">
there is an only one result of Complaint of an anti-ship ballistic
missile called "خليج فارس"</p>
<p>[5] see
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Persian+Gulf%22"><https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Persian+Gulf%22></a> total
results 14,100,000.<br>
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<p>[6] see
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Arabian+Gulf%22"><https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Arabian+Gulf%22></a> total
results 5,550.00.<br>
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