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<p>@Abdullah Abdulrhman</p>
<p>All the references you have given in your last mail on this list
are unilateral when it comes to the use of "Arabic Gulf".
Bilateral communication and treaties only refer to the use of
"Arabian Gulf" when only GCC members or Arabic allies of the GCC
are involved. This is further supported by other references found
on the same websites, where Iran is involved or another country
who which to remain neutral, both the term "Arabian Gulf" and
"Persian Gulf" are avoided.</p>
<p>Don't question peoples "good faith" or your personal opinions or
conclusions about my intentions.</p>
<p>@Saeed Hubaishan</p>
<p>I apologise for the confusion that may have arisen from the
informal term "international waters". It is true, after studying
expert and authoritative resources there are bilateral agreements
concerning the exact borders of the EEZ's and the continental
shelf, high seas of the areas, it might be subject to
misinterpretations, as I mistakenly did. Lessons learned: in
sensitive matters don't use an informal term as "International
waters". <br>
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<p>Don't question peoples "good faith" or your personal opinions or
conclusions about my intentions.<br>
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<p>@Li Yaqo</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Solution 1:<br>
Keep the tags without changing.<br>
(This means we keep the tags in the stable version before the
start of the vandalism chaos)<br>
The tags will stay like this: <br>
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Name= الخليج العربي<br>
Alt_name= خليج فارس<br>
Name:en= Persian Gulf<br>
Name:ar= الخليج العربي<br>
Name:fa= خليج فارس<br>
______________________<br>
Pros: Keep the things as is the stable version.<br>
Cons: This might not end the vandalism edits from the
nationalist vandals in the Arab countries, and there will
probably be even more vandalism as an act of revenge if we go
with this option, but it's an if. <br>
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The current relation has never been in a stable situation. Other
nodes and relations existed before this one, with the same issues
and disputes appearing after a limited time. Numerous threads,
messages in the help forum etc... exist from before 2019 when this
relation was created.<br>
Reflecting this solution as "a stable version" is not correct. This
solution you propose was one that aggravated and escalated the
incident.<br>
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Solution 2:<br>
Change the 'name tag to have both languages at the same time<br>
(This means we change only the 'name' tag by adding the
Iranian name alongside the already existing one)<br>
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The tags will be like this: <br>
______________________<br>
Name= الخليج العربي / خليج فارس<br>
Name:en= Persian Gulf<br>
Name:ar= الخليج العربي<br>
Name:fa= خليج فارس<br>
______________________<br>
Pros: This will definitely stop the vandalism edits when
finally the Iranian name is in the general name tag. This
solution was tested before in the Caspian Sea, and it worked
when the Iranian name was in with the other languages in the
'name' tag. <br>
Cons: I don't see any.<br>
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name:ar being Arabian Gulf is not the equivalent term in Arabic for
the name tag Persian Gulf. It creates confusion as the equivalent
Arabic term in the name tag is already listed. It goes against the
principle that we also respect different local opinions, both in OSM
and in the UN, in expressing used local names tags and respect to
other communities. It is as much biased as other solutions proposed
so far and not compliant to the OSM tagging guidelines.
Unfortunately our guidelines don't address these issues
specifically, so we as a community need to address this and improve
it with a solution that as much as possible fits all.<br>
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There was an opinion that was discussed which is removing the
'name' tag entirely. This is not a solution, this option was
chosen and tested before in many areas and failed in almost
every single one of them, the Mediterranean Sea for example.
Removing the 'name' tag will conclude by adding it again by
another user who does not know about this whole problem and
vandalism issue, and this will definitely start the vandalism
campaign again.<br>
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Again, as you did before, you judge other users knowledge without
referring to factual evidence. It's against the "good faith"
principle which we support in our community.<br>
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<p>Regards,</p>
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<p>Bert Araali</p>
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