<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
</head>
<body>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/07/2021 16:47, Brian M.
Sperlongano wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAMrfQx1g0CjyZOBizvN_p-mt++KcDeVM697cj2VPHzf2Jy4odg@mail.gmail.com">
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:38
AM Bert -Araali- Van Opstal <<a
href="mailto:bert.araali.afritastic@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">bert.araali.afritastic@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p>On 13/07/2021 09:11, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:<br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Jul 12, 2021, 16:17 by <a
href="mailto:bert.araali.afritastic@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bert.araali.afritastic@gmail.com</a>:<br>
</div>
<blockquote style="border-left:1px solid
rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px">
<div> C. if the above fail to reach a consensus, what
is the fall back scenario. Do we define a reference
framework, like the UN or others ?<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div dir="auto">No.<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Definite no to putting "regulations from
the UN" above actual situation.<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
I agree, it is not what I said as to be proposed. I said
resolutions from the UN are fall back reference frames
when the OSM community fails to reach a consensus using
our own guidelines framework.<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I do not think that this is a workable solution. There
are many cases where a local community is not in agreement
with international organizations, and this would effectively
be choosing a winner based on fiat rather than doing the
more difficult but necessary work of achieving a compromise
that all sides can live with.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
I agree that it's not desirable. Again, it's a fall back scenario in
case local communities cannot agree and escalate it with editing
wars. Of course, local communities disagree with international
organisations. In my proposal I will include some suggestions how
dialogue and a process to consensus between local communities could
be improved, rather then starting editing wars and escalating them
to other map features.It shouldn't be a desired permanent situation
though, if through other processes a consensus is reached of course
as a community we will allow the name tag to reflect local use, as
intended and guided in our wiki. <br>
<p>Leaving the name field empty or freezing it on a biased status
is, I believe not favoured by the majority. Is not going to stop
the wars which, at the same time undermine the dialogue which
might be ongoing in a search for consensus. But we are open to
alternative suggestions of course.</p>
<p>Greetings,</p>
<p>Bert Araali<br>
</p>
</body>
</html>