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</head><body text="#000000">I must confess my smartphone is wifi only
and to save the battery life Ihave location turned off. What I have
done is load up streetcomplete for an area that I will be travelling
through perhaps by bus and note the quests. Travelling past an entire
street full of bungalows I must confess I didn't enter them all in
streetcomplete as we passed them. In fact I just went in with JOSM and
shoved them in as a batch so probably I'm using streetcomplete to see
what information is lacking in OSM that would be considered useful.<br>
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Cheerio John<br>
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<span>Justin Tracey wrote on 7/24/2021 5:33 PM:</span><br>
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cite="mid:e42fa6fc-0573-39af-c072-b4ab238b0f3d@gmail.com">On 2021-07-24
3:23 p.m., Mike Thompson wrote:
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<br>On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 12:41 PM Andy Mabbett
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk">andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk"><mailto:andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk></a>> wrote:
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<br> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 22:32, Mateusz Konieczny via talk
<br> <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org"><mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org></a>> wrote:
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<br> > The only case where valid editing would produce such
situation
<br> are cases where
<br>
<br> There are several other scenarios than the two you list; for
example
<br>
<br> * User is on a long-distance trip and makes notes on paper, or
<br> mentaly; after returning home they answer quests
<br> * User refer to their own photographs from a recent trip to
answer
<br> quests
<br> * User refers to recent images in Mapilary or Wikimedia Commons,
or
<br> open-licensed aerial imagery, to answer quests
<br> * User asks a friend or relative to check a remote feature ("Hi
Mom,
<br> is the postbox still outside your house?")
<br> * User is away from home, but is answering quests about where
they live
<br>
<br>All are possible, but at least in the case of the imagery, they
should
cite that as a source and not "survey" (or doesn't Streetcomplete allow
a source other than "survey", in which case that too is a problem)
<br>
<br>MIke
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<br>
The entire idea of StreetComplete is that it's an editor intended *only*
for low-effort survey data via quests. The goal is to make it
unambiguously the highest quality data for simple tags. Adding
non-survey data, no matter how confident you are you know the answer,
subverts that purpose. If you have other information to add to OSM,
either because there is no relevant quest or because you aren't
currently looking at the thing in the real world, you should not be
using StreetComplete for it. All of the above examples should be added
via some other editor (e.g., iD if you want something quick and easy,
Vespucci if you want something on Android, or JOSM if you want full
desktop editing), with the appropriate source cited, not StreetComplete.
Specifically:
<br>
<br>
* Notes on paper are, IMO, borderline for citing "survey" as a source,
and not suitable for StreetComplete. Mental notes are definitely not
surveys, they're almost the definition of local knowledge.
<br>
* Your own photographs are fine to use as surveys, but should not be
used with StreetComplete, since again, you're not there. iD is perfect
for this case, and you'll be able to add a lot more than what can be
added with StreetComplete anyway.
<br>
* Mapillary, Wikimedia Commons, and other public streetlevel imagery
sources are not survey sources, they're they're own thing, with their
own set of considerations (which is why iD adds them as sources
automatically when you use them; I suspect there may also be licensing
considerations involved). Again, they definitely should not be used with
StreetComplete.
<br>
* Asking a friend or relative is not a survey (at least, not in the
geography sense -- with enough people, it could be the other kind of
survey ;)). I might mark that as "local knowledge", or even something
more specific like "friend"/"relative".
<br>
* Answering quests about where you live without actually physically
looking at it is, again, the definition of local knowledge, not a
survey. Do not add this kind of info with StreetComplete, that's not
what it's there for.
<br>
<br>
I'm curious why a StreetComplete user would think these things are okay
to add with StreetComplete, since it loudly complains when you answer
quests that aren't in the vicinity of your GPS location (it tends to be
a bit overzealous on this, e.g., warning about adding building levels on
a high rise a block away, but there's no way you could miss it).
<br>
<br>
- Justin
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