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<div dir="auto">Hi,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I just wanted to add some perspective on some of the statements in this thread</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(53,28,117)">> There are some smartphones in Africa but often internet access is expensive and poor.</span></div><div><br></div><div>The
phrase "some smartphones" is somewhat of an underestimation -
organisations like GSMA estimated 477 million mobile internet users in
Sub Saharan Africa alone at the end of 2019
(<a href="https://www.gsma.com/mobileeconomy/sub-saharan-africa/">https://www.gsma.com/mobileeconomy/sub-saharan-africa/</a>). Additionally
many countries have 'leapfrogged'
(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leapfrogging">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leapfrogging</a>) fixed line & dated technology solutions, moving directly to much more advanced mobile solutions.
Internet access cost and quality is also hugely variable across the
whole world. Growth in OSM local editing requires local perspective
& with that, acknowledgement of the specific context of a particular
place, rather than generalisations.<br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(53,28,117)">> I don't think the ability to draw in highways is essential but being able to paste a preset building outline might be nice. If possible it needs to display the local region and by local I mean say twenty kilometre square.</span></div><div><br></div><div>I
absolutely agree that we need more frictionless ways to contribute to
OpenStreetMap on mobile in order to increase local edits (quantity &
quality). We should focus on listening to the objectives of local
communities before jumping to technology solutions,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks, and interested in others perspectives on this,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Rebecca</div>
</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 6:10 PM john whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>I think I hadn't looked at Vespucci for a while but looking at it now it looks much improved. I like the fact you can vary the amount of map you download.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Complexity I think is just a matter of documentation. I ran a session with new mappers and JOSM once with the buildings_tool. I just taught them what they needed to be able to add buildings.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks John</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 12:45 Mateusz Konieczny via talk <<a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Aug 18, 2021, 17:31 by <a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div dir="auto"><div>We can do a fair bit of remote mapping but at the end of the day it works better with local input.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There are some smartphones in Africa but often internet access is expensive and poor.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What is available?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Osmand is not too bad but I note it's power demands are growing on the OSMand mailing list.<br></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">See <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editors" rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editors</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Android:<br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vespucci" rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vespucci</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete" rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm_Go" rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm_Go</a>!<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">iOS:<br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Go_Map" rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Go_Map</a>!!<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">I think we need some way to make small areas of Africa available in a compressed format that can be unpacked on a smartphone with limited storage. We need software that is lightweight or can be side loaded to avoid overloading an internet connection and the software needs some basic functionality such as being able to add or edit tags on nodes or ways. It needs to be able to work offline and we need to get those changes home.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don't think the ability to draw in highways is essential but being able to paste a preset building outline might be nice.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If possible it needs to display the local region and by local I mean say twenty kilometre square.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Local language support would be nice.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thoughts on what is available or what could be built?<br></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">Vespucci fulfills your requirements from what I see.<br></div><div dir="auto">Not sure about OSM Go!<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">StreetComplete has offline capability but not via file unpacked on a smartphone.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Both Vespucci and StreetComplete have limitations - in short with Vespuuci<br></div><div dir="auto">people complain about too complex interface, with StreetComplete it<br></div><div dir="auto">is extremely limiting (detail can be added to existing objects, no mapping<br></div><div dir="auto">of new objects).<br></div> </div>
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