<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Amanda and other OSM friends,</div><div><br></div>Could we ask a human rights organisation to help us to determine such guidelines? I'm thinking about Amnesty International. This is their field of expertise, after all.<div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><div><br></div><div>Casper</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op do 7 okt. 2021 om 22:55 schreef Casper Kersten <<a href="mailto:casperkersten1@gmail.com">casperkersten1@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi John. I accidentally sent my previous message to you privately instead of to the whole mailing list. Since you seem to like ignoring people so much, I don't expect it to be much of a problem to you.<div><br></div><div>Enjoy your evening. </div><div><br></div><div>Casper (OSM user Friendly_Ghost)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op do 7 okt. 2021 om 22:33 schreef john whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Thank you for your permission to ignore your email. I have shared it with the mailing list in case anyone else might wish to ignore you as well.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Many thanks</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheerio John</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 7, 2021, 16:18 Amanda McCann <<a href="mailto:amanda.mccann@osmfoundation.org" target="_blank">amanda.mccann@osmfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Oh sorry. I was trying to be nice, and well, friendly.<br>
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Yes, you can ignore my email, or any email, if it's not relevant to your interests. 🙂 <br>
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 22:12 +02:00, john whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I'm really not happy with someone addressing me as friend without even <br>
> knowing them, or can I just ignore the message if I don't consider <br>
> myself your friend?<br>
><br>
> Sometimes I just want to map rather than do the socialise thing.<br>
><br>
> Thanks John<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2021, 3:31 PM Amanda McCann <br>
> <<a href="mailto:amanda.mccann@osmfoundation.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">amanda.mccann@osmfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Hello OSM friends,<br>
>> <br>
>> So here's an idea... I've previously complained when an organisation holds an event in a place where it's “illegal to be gay” and claim that the event is a “safe space”. Since I'm on the OSMF Board, I would be wrong for me to continue to complain about other organisations and not try to suggest such a policy for the OSMF.<br>
>> <br>
>> The OSMF grants a trademark licence (for the “State of the Map” trademark which the OSMF legally owns) to regional event conferences, and legally, the OSMF runs the annual State of the Map conference.<br>
>> <br>
>> There are several different wordings of this policy possible. My initial idea of a policy is: “you can't have a SotM for [REGION] in a venue if same-sex sexual activity is illegal (& that's being enforced) there, *and* there is a place in [REGION] where that is legal (or illegal & not enforced)”. This covers bi/pan/queer/etc people.<br>
>> <br>
>> I can't easily think of a simple rule for trans/gender identity issues that's as clear cut for the very basic level (e.g. many countries have required gender segregated toilets for a long time and the laws requiring ”birth sex” are new and uncommon, legal gender recognition might not be so relevant for a visitor, etc) so I'll stick to this for now. I am OK with “State of the Map [COUNTRY]” happening in a country where it's illegal everywhere. My goal is to prevent anyone having a *legal downgrade* with “State of the Map”.<br>
>> <br>
>> Many in OSM have spent a long time improving things for minoritized groups, and maybe this is just another step in that process. I am only mentioning “illegal to be gay” because it's a simple, clear standard. I think it could be benefitial to include other standards too (e.g. I believe some countries forbid women from driving). I am focussing on LGBTQ+ issues because that affects me personally, and I know a lot about it. I encourage other minoritized people to speak up if they want.<br>
>> <br>
>> So what do yous, the wider OSM(F) community think about the OSMF adopting this policy (or something like it, or not adopting anything new policy)?<br>
>> <br>
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