<html><head></head><body><div class="ydpcda4416byahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Thanks for the clarification Michael,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The message that I received did say <span>"please do not remove electrification tags" but I should have looked at the wiki or the database.<br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>The electrified and voltage keys are usually used in combination and this clearly states that a line is electrified (very few cases in Canada). <br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>If adding the no attribute is ok, it should also be the same when adding the tag sidewalk=no to a highway with maxspeed=100 km (I did spot a few around Montreal!) <br></span></div><div class="ydpcda4416bsignature"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> <div><a href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/?Q=%5Bout%3Axml%5D%5Btimeout%3A80%5D%3B%0Away%5Bhighway%5D%5Bmaxspeed~'100'%5D%5Bsidewalk%3Dno%5D(%7B%7Bbbox%7D%7D)%3B%0Aout%20meta%3B%3E%3B%20out%20meta%3B%0A&C=45.53233;-73.82812;10" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://overpass-turbo.eu/?Q=%5Bout%3Axml%5D%5Btimeout%3A80%5D%3B%0Away%5Bhighway%5D%5Bmaxspeed~'100'%5D%5Bsidewalk%3Dno%5D(%7B%7Bbbox%7D%7D)%3B%0Aout%20meta%3B%3E%3B%20out%20meta%3B%0A&C=45.53233;-73.82812;10</a></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"><font style="background-color: inherit;" face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></div></div>
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Le mercredi 23 février 2022, 19 h 06 min 04 s UTC−5, Michael Reichert <osm-ml@michreichert.de> a écrit :
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<div><div dir="ltr">Hi Pierre,<br clear="none"><div class="ydp414c59a7yqt8659682119" id="ydp414c59a7yqtfd37029"><br clear="none">Am 22.02.22 um 22:30 schrieb Pierre Béland via talk:<br clear="none">> I was told by a contributor in a private message to not remove electrification=no tags on railways because they are necessary for OpenRailwayMap Style to report Electrification status coloring ways based on electrification tag.<br clear="none">> What to think about that. Would it be possible simply for such Style to report as electrification=no and not electrification=unknown when this tag does not appear ?</div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">you mean electrified=contact_line/rail/no/…, don't you? The key <br clear="none">electrification=* exists 4 times in OSM but electrified is used by 1.9 <br clear="none">million objects. electrified=* is used by the electrification style of <br clear="none">OpenRailwayMap and the tag is in use for more than 10 years by mappers <br clear="none">(the style is not as old).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The map style distinguishes between tracks which are not electrified and <br clear="none">those where this information has not been mapped yet (e.g. survey or, in <br clear="none">some cases, aerial imagery). The tag is as important as gauge=* (whose <br clear="none">main value is 1435 except certain countries).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It makes a great difference if you can use a track with an electric <br clear="none">locomotive or not. For many yard and spur tracks the status of <br clear="none">electrification is different from the main tracks of the railway line. <br clear="none">While the main tracks are electrified, the yard and spur tracks can be <br clear="none">used by diesel locomotives only. The status of electrification of a <br clear="none">railway line is often easy to find out: press reports about it, you can <br clear="none">see it anywhere along the line etc. On the other hand, individual yard <br clear="none">and spur tracks need to be visited. That's why the map style makes a <br clear="none">difference between electrified=no (black colour) and missing <br clear="none">electrified=* (grey colour).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">For me, oneway=no and electrified=no are similar but different. <br clear="none">oneway=yes is assumed as default for roads but there is no default <br clear="none">electrified=*. As a cycleway mapper, I use oneway=no very often but on <br clear="none">highway=footway/path/cycleway only because you may not use cycleways on <br clear="none">the left side of the road in Germany except explicitly permitted by sign.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Best regards<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Michael<div class="ydp414c59a7yqt8659682119" id="ydp414c59a7yqtfd09518"><br clear="none"></div></div>_______________________________________________<br clear="none">talk mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk</a><div class="ydp414c59a7yqt8659682119" id="ydp414c59a7yqtfd42095"><br clear="none"></div></div>
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