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On 03/11/2022 8:50 AM Jo <winfixit@gmail.com> wrote:
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The point is that Pont Neuf is not known as New Bridge in an English context.
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Correct, it's known as Pont Neuf. I don't believe I suggested otherwise?
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My point is that I fundamentally disagree with Frederiks statements that explicitly tagging "name:en=Pont Neuf" would not only be wrong, but tantamount to "bringing OSM into disrepute". It is neither.
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On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:22 AM Colin Smale <<a href="mailto:colin.smale@xs4all.nl">colin.smale@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:
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<br>> On 03/11/2022 1:57 AM Frederik Ramm <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" rel="noopener">frederik@remote.org</a>> wrote:
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<br>> Hi,
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<br>> On 3/11/22 00:15, yo paseopor wrote:
<br>> > a Mapcomplete theme for Ukrainian -name:uk- "translations" of
<br>> > everything with a name
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<br>> A few comments on name tags:
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<br>> The "name:xx" tags are not there for translations - they are there to
<br>> record names that things have in different languages.
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<br>> For example, "Pont Neuf" in Paris translates as "New Bridge", but the
<br>> English name for this bridge is still "Pont Neuf". No speaker of English
<br>> would say they've been to Paris and they saw the "New Bridge". Anyone,
<br>> well-meaning as they may be, adding a "name:en=Pont Neuf" to that bridge
<br>> damages OSM and makes it the laughing stock of those with actual
<br>> knowledge of the issue.
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<br>You are saying there is an assumption that name:xx === name unless otherwise specified?
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<br>Firstly name=* is often synthesised out of different languages (in multilingual areas). So we cannot rely on that to be the default value for any name:xx. We have no way of saying that a specific language variant (e.g. name:fr in your example) should be considered default for these purposes.
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<br>Secondly although we often work with implicit defaults (such as oneway=no, access=yes) there always exists a way of tagging that explicitly. It is (rightly) "frowned upon" to use this tagging redundantly on a wide scale, but its existence is an essential tool to remove potential ambiguities that may occur.
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<br>I therefore disagree with your comments about "name:en=Pont Neuf" damaging OSM and making it the laughing stock. If that is what it is known as in an English-language context, then that is how it should be tagged.
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