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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>May 31, 2022, 23:59 by wlodzimierz.bartczak@openstreetmap.pl:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div>Some feel that (...) maintainers don't care about the community <br></div><div dir="auto">instead trying to follow their own agendas<br></div></div></blockquote><p>I am one of OSM Carto maintainers, almost inactive. Out of some reasons why I am inactive:<br></p><ul><li>I implemented most of what I wanted and could improve<br></li><li>lack of time (though I guess I could drop some time-wasters of lower utility)<br></li><li>people were unhappy, no matter which decision I have taken (see also the first point)<br></li><li>people were unhappy also if no decision was taken<br></li><li>people kept trying to use OSM Carto to force their pet tagging schemes on others, bypassing discussions (to be clear, this one is not about packstations)<br></li></ul><div dir="auto">"don't care about the community instead trying to follow their own agendas" is not<br></div><div dir="auto">one of reasons for such inactivity<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And to repeat another comment <br></div><div dir="auto">from <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Cristoffs/diary/399189">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Cristoffs/diary/399189</a> :<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am definitely NOT running out of things to do. Even if I would live
for 10 000 years I can<br></div><div dir="auto">be busy entire time without contributing to OSM
Carto ever again.<br></div><p>And insults are not effective way of encouraging people to do something they want,<br></p><div dir="auto">at least in my case.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If I can do several projects then "people who me to work on it will/have/are insulting me"<br></div><div dir="auto">is going to be effective way to decide that it is not attractive.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And as result at this point I am not planning to become active in OSM Carto project.<br></div><div dir="auto">Therefore I decided to remove myself as a maintainer, effective immediately<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4561" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4561</a> has a PR<br></div><div dir="auto">with a documentation update.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">(And if you disagreed about this claim or meant something else - then why you repeated it?)<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div>Most concerning however was <a target="_blank" href="https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4512#issuecomment-1100642468" rel="noopener noreferrer">the comment from swedneck</a> that one of openstreetmap-carto maintainers revealed information about him that he was not comfortable sharing (doxxing) and that nothing was done. Andy - openstreetmap-carto creator - was informed <a target="_blank" href="https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4512#issuecomment-1101720910" rel="noopener noreferrer">in another comment </a>and ignored it. The issue <a target="_blank" href="https://discord.com/channels/413070382636072960/787125151959351307/966810172330745926" rel="noopener noreferrer">was raised on OpenStreetMap discord</a> where Amanda - board member - saw it but claimed that carto's Code of Conduct does not list that doxxing is explicitly forbidden. This is very disappointing as it damages community's trust in the project. <br></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1) <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md#reporting-issues">https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md#reporting-issues</a><br></div><div dir="auto">contain a clear explanation how issues should be reported, and pinging<br></div><div dir="auto">someone is not a solution<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Pinging someone on github is NOT a reliable way to notify someone, as<br></div><div dir="auto">people with more involvement may receive many notifications<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">See for example <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://github.com/isaacs/github/issues/167">https://github.com/isaacs/github/issues/167</a> and<br></div><div dir="auto"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://nolanlawson.com/2017/03/05/what-it-feels-like-to-be-an-open-source-maintainer/">https://nolanlawson.com/2017/03/05/what-it-feels-like-to-be-an-open-source-maintainer/</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Many people have notifications completely disabled and ignored.<br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">BTW, this was mentioned already in<br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Cristoffs/diary/399189#comment52526" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Cristoffs/diary/399189#comment52526</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2) To clarify what happened what that someone posted report of some<br></div><div dir="auto">problem with a screenshot and tried to keep location secret.<br></div><div dir="auto">But<br></div><div dir="auto">(1) location was trivial to recover from what was posted<br></div><div dir="auto">(2) it located city, presumably where someone was living<br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>I am mentioning this as doxing is rather used to describe release of info previously private<br></div><div dir="auto"> which is a detailed personal info, typically things as exact address where someone lives<br></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing</a> <br></div><div dir="auto">"act of publicly revealing previously private personal information about an<br></div><div dir="auto">individual or organization, usually via the Internet"<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">To be clear, what happened was not OK and I intervened once I was aware of it.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Since then another maintainer Mateusz corrected that some actions were taken but this generated a comment only after I made <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Cristoffs/diary/399189" target="_blank">diary entry</a> that elicited 46 comments making some noise within the community.<br></div></div></blockquote><div>This diary entry had no effect whatsoever on my intervention.<br></div><div dir="auto">I become aware of the problem in a different way.<br></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div> </body>
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