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<pre>OK, to clarify my question:
<a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2022-June/087594.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2022-June/087594.html</a>
had some "Hypothetical examples of "edit shaming" might be posts to the
talk lists including such verbiage as (...)"<br></pre><div>Is following also likely to qualify<br></div><div><br></div><div>"Anyone who never, ever edited OSM is not my preferred candidate to OSMF board."<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"I prefer OSMF board candidates who are active mappers with at least several<br></div><div dir="auto">edits in last year"?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"Anyone with fewer than 15 mapping days in their life should not be allowed to<br></div><div dir="auto">join OSMF?"<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Lets assume that someone took offence specifically to that.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Would moderators treat it as "edit shaming" taking positions like above?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And why comment like<br></div><pre>"Anyone with fewer than 5,000 changesets should not be allowed to run
for the OSMF board."<br></pre><div>is supposed to be edit shaming while demanding/proposing some minimal<br></div><div dir="auto">mapping activity to be OSMF member is fine?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I admit that I am quite confused what is forbidden and allowed by this rule,<br></div><div dir="auto">especially as "effort to humiliate or discourage" is banned by other rules already.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>10 cze 2022, 14:56 od allan.mustard@osmfoundation.org:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><p>Mateusz, <br></p><p>You pose two questions, whether the examples you offer might be
bannable offenses, and whether expressing offensive opinions in
other fora could result in a ban.<br></p><p>As to the first question, it would depend on whether another
member of the community took offense to any of these statements
and complained to the moderators, or whether the statements cross
the line into "aggressive or abusive behaviour". In the latter
case, the moderators are specifically charged by the Foundation
with "calm[ing] down" or "block[ing]" such community members,
proactively.[1] My suggestion to you, and to everyone, is that
before posting something, you reflect on whether your comment will
unduly offend somebody else in the community as well as whether
the language you choose will achieve your goal (making a point and
persuading the rest of community to your point of view) or merely
evoke negative reactions. <br></p><p>Further to the first question, permanent banning is an extreme
act and is the final penalty after all other efforts to curb bad
behaviour have been exhausted. The Etiquette Guidelines make this
clear:<br></p><p><br></p><blockquote type="cite"><p style="margin: 1em 0px; color: rgb(30, 32, 33); font-family:
osmftext, sans-serif; font-size: 18.88px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial;
text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
initial;">The<span> </span><a style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(127, 127,
127);" title="Mailing lists (page does not exist)" class="" href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Mailing_lists&action=edit&redlink=1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">moderators</a><span> </span>for the mailing lists
will follow the guidelines below. For each infraction an
individual will be met with the following responses. Which
gradually become more direct up to the point where members may
be blocked.<br></p><ol style="color: rgb(30, 32, 33); font-family: osmftext,
sans-serif; font-size: 18.88px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial;
text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
initial;"><li>Send polite mail to individual<br></li><li>Robust mail outlining what the issue is<br></li><li>Temporary block of 24 hours<br></li><li>2nd block for one week with mediation with blocked
individual<br></li><li>3rd block, discussion between moderators about final block
[1]<br></li></ol></blockquote><div>In other words, if somebody gets banned, that somebody will have
had ample warning that the behaviour is offensive and needs to be
changed.<br></div><p><br></p><p>As to the second question, the moderators are specifically
charged with moderating discourse on the talk and osmf-talk lists.
The moderators have no charge to deal with discourse in other
fora. That said, I might remind you that abusive or aggressive
rhetoric rarely accomplishes anything other than evoking negative
emotions that are not conducive to engendering support for your
point of view. In short, watch your tongue (keyboard) and think
twice before posting something that others will likely find
insulting or offensive. The community will function better if
rancor is avoided.<br></p><p>[1] <a href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette" class="" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette</a><br></p><p></p><div>cheers,<br></div><div> Allan Mustard<br></div><div> apm-wa<br></div><p></p><p><br></p><blockquote type="cite"><pre class="" wrap="">Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 08:29:36 +0200 (CEST)
From: Mateusz Konieczny <a href="mailto:matkoniecz@tutanota.com" class="" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><matkoniecz@tutanota.com></a>
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] EG/Doxxing | Re: New moderation team &
etiquette guidelines for talk@ & osmf-talk@ list
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So expressing
"Anyone who never, ever edited OSM is not my preferred candidate to OSMF board."
would be also bannable offense?"
or
"I prefer OSMF board candidates who are active mappers with at least several
edits in last year"?
What about
"Anyone with fewer than 15 mapping days in their life should not be allowed to
join OSMF?"
What about people expressing deep confidence what is annoying or problematic
for mappers and who never ever edited?
Is it also bannable to express it somewhere else?<br></pre></blockquote><p><br></p></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div> </body>
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