<div dir="ltr">"I am what I edit"?<div><br></div><div>I'm reading this and I think this is a topic for another discussion. How the way you edit OSM and the amount of edits you make translates into familiarity with OSM.<br><br>On the other hand, this is a very sensitive topic. Knowledge of a database, especially one created by volunteers without a closed standard, is required if you want to talk about it. Which means that, sometimes talking:</div><div><br>>
"I don't think that you know what you are talking about, given that you have only ten days of mapping this year."</div><div><br>Is simply a statement of fact. (On the other hand, I have seen examples of people who edit a lot, and their knowledge of the subject is, to put it diplomatically, minimal.) In such a case, much depends on the context.<br><br>This is a topic where common sense is required, not a zero-one law. If we believe in diversity and democracy, we cannot at the same time introduce rules that restrict speech in this way.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">pt., 10 cze 2022 o 08:37 Mateusz Konieczny via talk <<a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>> napisał(a):<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>So expressing<br></div><div dir="auto">"Anyone who never, ever edited OSM is not my preferred candidate to OSMF board."<br></div><div>would be also bannable offense?"<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">or <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"I prefer OSMF board candidates who are active mappers with at least several<br></div><div dir="auto">edits in last year"?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What about<br></div><div dir="auto">"Anyone with fewer than 15 mapping days in their life should not be allowed to<br></div><div dir="auto">join OSMF?"<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What about people expressing deep confidence what is annoying or problematic<br></div><div dir="auto">for mappers and who never ever edited?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Is it also bannable to express it somewhere else?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>10 cze 2022, 04:34 od <a href="mailto:allan@mustard.net" target="_blank">allan@mustard.net</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><p>"Edit shaming" is any effort to humiliate or discourage a member
of the OSM community from expressing a viewpoint, opinion, or
fact, or otherwise to participate in OSM community affairs, due to
said member's relatively low number of edits of the OSM geospatial
database ("the map"). Hypothetical examples of "edit shaming"
might be posts to the talk lists including such verbiage as:<br></p><p></p><div>"Who do you think you are to express an opinion on Topic X with
only 863 changesets under your belt?"<br></div><div> "Anyone with fewer than 5,000 changesets should not be allowed to
run for the OSMF board."<br></div><div> "I don't think that you know what you are talking about, given
that you have only ten days of mapping this year."<br></div><p></p><p>Some members of our community contribute in ways that do not
involve mapping, including voluntary participation in working
groups, operations, event organization, software development, and
overall management of the foundation (*ahem*). Shaming such people
because their mapping activity doesn't meet some other community
member's view of what it should be to have credibility is
unacceptable, intolerable, and will not be countenanced. In short,
efforts to humiliate other community members on these grounds will
rapidly draw the attention of the moderators.<br></p><p>This has nothing to do with a community member's command of
English (or any other language) or with the quality of edits. The
former is not a concern at all--we are not a book publisher--and
quality of edits is the domain of the Data Working Group.<br></p><p></p><div>cheers,<br></div><div> Allan Mustard<br></div><div> apm-wa (only 82 mapping days with 349 changesets in the last year,
a severe dropoff from years past)<br></div><p></p><div>On 6/9/2022 5:51 PM, Mateusz Konieczny
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I send it also to <u><a href="mailto:talk-owner@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">talk-owner@openstreetmap.org</a></u><br></div><div>in attempt to reach moderators<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>9 cze 2022, 19:51 od <a href="mailto:ajt1047@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ajt1047@gmail.com</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div>On 09/06/2022 18:30, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="auto">I think “edit shaming” is supposed to mean
“insulting or embarrassing someone for spelling, grammar
or typographical mistakes” but it is not at all clear what
the phrase means. <br></div></div><div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><p>Some extra definition would certainly help here (including
perhaps some examples) as otherwise translators into other
languages are going to struggle to understand what was meant.<br></p></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Clarification would be helpful as I was sure that
it is about complaining about<br></div><div dir="auto">bad edits. And unsure what actually is forbidden -
for example is<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"HOT organised editing is a problem because
quality of edits is very often bad<br></div><div dir="auto">and HOT fails to either actually help newbie
mappers, or verify their edits.<br></div><div dir="auto">And HOT primarily tries to bring more newbie
mappers and reach larger edit<br></div><div dir="auto">volume, instead of trying to improve quality and
at least review all edits<br></div><div dir="auto">made as part of HOT organised mapping or focus on
recruiting repeat mappers<br></div><div dir="auto">who would map more than once."<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">qualifying as banned edit shaming?<br></div><div dir="auto">(for reference: I consider above as a real issue
and not an edit shaming<br></div><div dir="auto">Hmmm, maybe it would be useful to write to HOT -
maybe I am wrong<br></div><div dir="auto">and just encountered the worst kind of HOT
activity? Anyone knows<br></div><div dir="auto">what would be a good contact point? )<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Is "hahaha <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/122063728" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/122063728</a> is useless<br></div><div dir="auto">pointless armchair mapping and wrong, this line is
not existing anymore,<br></div><div dir="auto">you should stop mapping" qualifying as banned edit
shaming?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">(for reference: I linked my own edit and as far as
I know this railway<br></div><div dir="auto">line exists, though I was never there. And I
consider landuse=railway<br></div><div dir="auto">mapping as useful<br></div><div dir="auto">But if it would not be a deliberate example with
myself as target then<br></div><div dir="auto">I would expect it to be an edit shaming - but it
seems so rare<br></div><div dir="auto">and covered by other rules that I am unsure why it
got a separate rule)<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Or is "hahaha, you missed 'an' article, stop
posting" intended to be banned<br></div><div dir="auto">by edit shaming? Also, why it got a separate rule?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">BTW, <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Etiquette/Etiquette_Guidelines#Edit_shaming" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Etiquette/Etiquette_Guidelines#Edit_shaming</a><br></div><div dir="auto">never got any resposne.<br></div></blockquote></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div> </div>
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