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<p>Quoting collapses ... so I ll answer directly.</p>
<p>You asked: Would it make sense to document any of ... And yeah, I
would document these and put them into "material=" for the record.</p>
<p>If something in a foreign language is "paved" then they missed
the point of OSM and its standards. Best one can do, be sceptical,
keep it on record but downgrade it and hope some one encountering
the wrong designation will correct it. Just my opinion on a
workable solution.<br>
</p>
<p>Yes, you are right "sett" would be more appropriate. I have
barely seen actual cobblestones in Germany.</p>
<p>On the reruns I don't really have an opinion. You will probably
already correct many instances. No idea whether it makes sense to
actually rerun, or just wait for the next editor to do this job.</p>
<p>Cheers, Klaus<br>
</p>
<p><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/03/2023 09:28, Mateusz Konieczny
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<div>Mar 24, 2023, 22:33 by
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:facebook_140f8d4e-9d8f-4d51-a5a7-320f53afc591@vollbio.de">facebook_140f8d4e-9d8f-4d51-a5a7-320f53afc591@vollbio.de</a>:<br>
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<p>Hi<br>
</p>
<p>Thanks for the comprehensive explanation. Here some answers:<br>
</p>
<ol>
<li>This first part makes sense to me.<br>
</li>
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Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 16px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Thanks!<br>
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<ol start="2">
<li>Regarding your questions to document previous values, I
would propose to use "material=..." as mentioned under: <a
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface#See_also"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface#See_also</a><br>
</li>
</ol>
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UI", Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI
Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 16px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" dir="auto">which
"previous values" you mean?</div>
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#93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;">
<ol start="3">
<li>"tierra" and "terra" ... the answer is obvious: "ground".<br>
</li>
<li>Also, for other languages, which are not clear, I would
use the "material=..." key and just put "surface=unpaved",
to be on the safe side.<br>
</li>
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-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);
-webkit-user-drag: none; color: rgb(48, 48, 48); font-family:
-apple-system, system-ui, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe
UI", Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI
Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 16px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" dir="auto">If unclear,
I will just not touch it (especially as some unclear may
describe paved surface)</div>
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#93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;">
<ol start="5">
<li>Btw. I saw some German word: holz=>wood,
schotter=>gravel, verdichtet=>paved (it means
"compacted"), Gras/Laub=>grass,
pflasterstein=>cobblestones<br>
</li>
</ol>
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-webkit-user-drag: none; color: rgb(48, 48, 48); font-family:
-apple-system, system-ui, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe
UI", Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI
Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 16px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" dir="auto">Could
surface=verdichtet be actually surface=compacted?<br>
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<div style="box-sizing: border-box; user-select: text !important;
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-webkit-user-drag: none; color: rgb(48, 48, 48); font-family:
-apple-system, system-ui, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe
UI", Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI
Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 16px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" dir="auto"><br>
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<div style="box-sizing: border-box; user-select: text !important;
-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);
-webkit-user-drag: none; color: rgb(48, 48, 48); font-family:
-apple-system, system-ui, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe
UI", Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI
Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 16px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" dir="auto">Is
surface=pflasterstein a surface=cobblestone (underdefined one)
or<br>
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-webkit-user-drag: none; color: rgb(48, 48, 48); font-family:
-apple-system, system-ui, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe
UI", Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI
Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 16px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" dir="auto">can it be
assumed to be in every single case surface=sett or
surface=unhewn_cobblestone ?<br>
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-webkit-user-drag: none; color: rgb(48, 48, 48); font-family:
-apple-system, system-ui, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe
UI", Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI
Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 16px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" dir="auto"><br>
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<div style="box-sizing: border-box; user-select: text !important;
-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);
-webkit-user-drag: none; color: rgb(48, 48, 48); font-family:
-apple-system, system-ui, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe
UI", Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI
Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 16px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" dir="auto">See <a
style="box-sizing: border-box; color: inherit; user-select:
text !important; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0,
0); overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-user-drag: none;"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:surface%3Dcobblestone"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:surface%3Dcobblestone</a><br>
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-webkit-user-drag: none; color: rgb(48, 48, 48); font-family:
-apple-system, system-ui, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe
UI", Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI
Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 16px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" dir="auto"><br>
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<div style="box-sizing: border-box; user-select: text !important;
-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);
-webkit-user-drag: none; color: rgb(48, 48, 48); font-family:
-apple-system, system-ui, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe
UI", Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI
Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 16px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" dir="auto">I added<br>
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-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);
-webkit-user-drag: none; color: rgb(48, 48, 48); font-family:
-apple-system, system-ui, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe
UI", Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI
Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 16px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" dir="auto"> #
translating German<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"> 'holz': 'wood',<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"> 'schotter': 'gravel',<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"> 'Gras_Laub': 'grass',<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">to candidate list for the next one (I will also
review is any of them typically wrong<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">- using aerial images - and is connected to any
obvious issues not already<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">automatically detectable)<br>
</div>
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#93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;">
<ol start="6">
<li>Regarding regular reruns of this, I would put some quality
gates into that, like:<br>
</li>
<ul>
<li>Were previous automatic corrections reverted and why?<br>
</li>
<li>Does a certain type reoccur often and why?<br>
</li>
<li>Do new categories appear and should they become
official?<br>
</li>
</ul>
</ol>
</blockquote>
<div style="box-sizing: border-box; user-select: text !important;
-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);
-webkit-user-drag: none;" dir="auto">I inspect some sample of
bot edits and before I run it I get info how many will be
changed<br>
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<div style="box-sizing: border-box; user-select: text !important;
-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);
-webkit-user-drag: none;" dir="auto">- so in case of large
volume of cases (re)appearing I would investigate what is going
on.<br>
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-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);
-webkit-user-drag: none;" dir="auto"><br>
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<div style="box-sizing: border-box; user-select: text !important;
-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);
-webkit-user-drag: none;" dir="auto">I am also monitoring PMs
and changeset comments on bot account - and I think<br>
</div>
<div style="box-sizing: border-box; user-select: text !important;
-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);
-webkit-user-drag: none;" dir="auto">that someone thinking that
it made a bad edit would write.<br>
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<div style="box-sizing: border-box; user-select: text !important;
-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);
-webkit-user-drag: none;" dir="auto"><br>
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<div style="box-sizing: border-box; user-select: text !important;
-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);
-webkit-user-drag: none;" dir="auto">Does it seem enough for
you? (I can also run this edit once and once enough new<br>
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<div style="box-sizing: border-box; user-select: text !important;
-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);
-webkit-user-drag: none;" dir="auto">or repeated cases gather
then appear here again with similar listing)<br>
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