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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Apr 22, 2023, 14:10 by <a href="mailto:ajt1047@gmail.com">ajt1047@gmail.com</a>:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>On 21/04/2023 12:46, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:<br></div><blockquote><div>when you search for tea shop and it was marked as<br></div><div>shop=herbata ("herbata" is Polish for tea) then even a well written search tool<br></div><div>will fail to reliably find it.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Where something is an _absolute direct equivalent_ (but in another language) it makes no sense to use a distinct term (no-one's going to suggest "highway=autoweg" for motorways in the Netherlands, for example), but where there are genuine differences it does make sense to try and capture that somehow.<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">I agree, but what about cases where the same meaning may be represented by more<br></div><div dir="auto">standard tags? Would you agree that for example<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">shop = dog_grooming → shop = pet_grooming pet = dog <br></div><div dir="auto">shop = dog_beauty → shop = pet_grooming pet = dog <br></div><div dir="auto">shop = disused:bakery → disused:shop = bakery <br></div><div dir="auto">shop = pharmacy → amenity = pharmacy <br></div><div dir="auto">shop = hookah_lounge → amenity = hookah_lounge <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">are helpful edits increasing usefulness and quality of OSM data (also when<br></div><div dir="auto">done as automated bot edit - assuming that bot went through discussion)<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>This also applies where English has borrowed a word that means something else elsewhere - for example, I bet all the "shop=boutique" at <a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1u5H">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1u5H</a> don't match the OSM wiki's definition, but do match the French meaning of the word "boutique", which means "shop".<br></div><div><br></div><div>Even "poorly written" data consumers need to be aware of the data they are consuming. With OSM, there is no single definition**. Someone trying to interpret data for the part of Togo that I linked above would surely say that <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5001651960">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5001651960</a> (tagged only "shop=boutique") is just "some sort of shop".<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">shop=boutique seems to be a bit different problem, basically<br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunked_term" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunked_term</a> that should be deprecated and not used<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>More generally, anyone with half a brain consuming OSM shop data (or actually, _any_ external data from _anywhere_) will look at the values contained in it***.<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">And that is exactly what lead to proposing this edits - I was writing code to handle OSM<br></div><div dir="auto">data and researched tagging situation. And one of[1] effects was discovering numerous<br></div><div dir="auto">cases of tags that seem to be exact duplicates of more standard ones, and retagging<br></div><div dir="auto">them seems to clearly improve OSM data as far as I can see<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Every data consumers spending massive time on building own alias list for tags<br></div><div dir="auto">and adding exceptions for say shop = disused:florist does not seem to be a<br></div><div dir="auto">superior solution to me - and for values listed here I think that bot edit is better<br></div><div dir="auto">than asking people in changeset comments or opening notes or doing nothing.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Though maybe for<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">shop = vaping → shop = e-cigarette<br></div><div dir="auto">shop = vape_store → shop = e-cigarette<br></div><div dir="auto">shop = vape → shop = e-cigarette<br></div><div dir="auto">shop = Vape_Store → shop = e-cigarette<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">asking people in changeset comments who added this tags what they think about<br></div><div dir="auto">shop = e-cigarette would be a good idea? Rather then retagging in this proposed <br></div><div dir="auto">edit?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">[1] other results included improvements of OSM Wiki, improvements of iD presets<br></div><div dir="auto">like <a href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema/pull/884" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema/pull/884</a><br></div><div dir="auto">"stop assuming that all shop=organic are supermarkets" that just got merged<br></div><div dir="auto">and removed certain dubious deprecation and some discussions and<br></div><div dir="auto">recommendations to use an alternative tagging.<br></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div> </body>
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