<div dir="ltr"><div style="line-height:1.5;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Just to tie up a few of the loose ends. <br style="line-height:1.5"><br style="line-height:1.5">Nothing that anyone has said has been dismissed or downgraded as merely "pushback." This has all been very instructive for me and I've learned a lot. </div><div style="line-height:1.5;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br style="line-height:1.5">In the first post, Marjan described the companies and roles of the folks to whom I'm referring to as my "team." <br style="line-height:1.5"><br style="line-height:1.5"><span style="line-height:1.5"><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088217.html" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" style="line-height:1.5">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088217.html</a></span><br style="line-height:1.5"></div><div style="line-height:1.5;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br style="line-height:1.5"></div><div style="line-height:1.5;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">These three folks are former colleagues since I used to work at TomTom. Now, I am a strategic communications consultant and a writer. I still volunteer for the CWG, and I'm also consulting a bit with the OSMF on its fundraising. Even though I'm not with TomTom anymore, I am still interested in the communications data project, so I have continued to work on it as a volunteer. We are presenting at SotMUS in June. We are in the 4:30pm slot on Friday. <a href="https://2023.stateofthemap.us/schedule/" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" style="line-height:1.5">https://2023.stateofthemap.us/schedule/</a></div><div style="line-height:1.5;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br style="line-height:1.5"></div><div style="line-height:1.5;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I don't see any way to have avoided saying that Marjan and I volunteer for the CWG because it's relevant to the study. Being on the CWG helped us understand more about how OSM communicates and gave us the idea to study the channel and forum data. It also gives me a way to volunteer within the community since I'm not a GIS expert or software engineer.</div><div style="line-height:1.5;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br style="line-height:1.5"></div><div style="line-height:1.5;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I think this covers everything? If not, let me know. </div><div style="line-height:1.5;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br style="line-height:1.5">Don't forget to take the survey! <span style="line-height:1.5"><a href="https://osmf.limequery.org/875881?lang=en" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" style="line-height:1.5">https://osmf.limequery.org/875881?lang=en</a> (There is a bit more about the project in the introduction)</span><br style="line-height:1.5"><br style="line-height:1.5"></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 4:27 PM John Whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<span>Courtney wrote on 5/3/2023 4:00 PM:</span><br>
<span style="font-style:italic">Compare a statement like this: </span><span style="font-style:italic"><br>
</span><span style="font-style:italic"><br>
</span><span style="font-style:italic"> "I know you may be relatively
new here, so to help you be successful, here are some ideas for how to
structure for your project"</span><span style="font-style:italic"><br>
</span><span style="font-style:italic"><br>
</span><span style="font-style:italic">to a statement like this: </span><span style="font-style:italic"><br>
</span><span style="font-style:italic"><br>
</span><span style="font-style:italic"> "I am disappointed to yet
again see someone doing this wrong and ignoring the requests of the
community" </span><br>
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There is a difference in the level of language proficiency needed to use
the first sentence so you're asking a great deal of people using a
second language to use that level of proficiency.<br>
This might be appropriate for easing people into a new situation but I
think you also have to take into account that technical people and there
are many here usually are more direct , blunt if you like.<br>
<br>
How would you rephrase Fredrick's post by the way? I may have missed
your answer.<br>
<span style="font-style:italic"><br>
</span><span style="font-style:italic">Can you clarify who "your team"
in this context is? You were introduced
in Marjan's initial post as "OSMF Communication Working Group Member"
and were the only of four names without a TomTom affiliation. You are
posting this neither from an OSMF nor from a TomTom address but from a
gmail one.
</span><span style="font-style:italic"><br>
</span><span style="font-style:italic">
</span><span style="font-style:italic"><br>
</span><span style="font-style:italic">Is "your team" a corporate
TomTom endeavour? Is it the OSMF
Communications working group? Or...?
</span><span style="font-style:italic"><br>
</span><span style="font-style:italic">
</span><span style="font-style:italic"><br>
</span><span style="font-style:italic">Unclear affiliations are a
problem, as I pointed out in this thread a
few days ago. Has everything I said been filed away under "pushback" and
ignored?<br>
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</span>Many Thanks <br>
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Cheerio John<span style="font-style:italic"><br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>--Courtney Cook Williamson</div><div><a href="http://survivalbybook.substack.com" target="_blank">survivalbybook.substack.com</a></div></div></div>