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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thank you John for your correspondence.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We are going through a similar journey.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Are you able to share how the OSM community accepted that their data could be used and then offered for public use under a different licence arrangement
without the need to “Share-alike”?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Also are you able to provide clarity on what your role is in negotiating this understanding?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thank you again in advance for your contribution and engagement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">George<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#0D0D0D">George Boulos<br>
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Strategy - Mobility and Insights - Policy, Precincts and Innovation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#0D0D0D">Department of Transport & Planning<br>
Level 4, 1 Spring Street<br>
Melbourne, VIC 3000<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#0D0D0D">M: +61 (0)428 470 301 <br>
</span><a href="mailto:George.Boulos@roads.vic.gov.au"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#0563C1">George.Boulos@roads.vic.gov.au</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#0D0D0D"><br>
</span><a href="https://transport.vic.gov.au/"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#0D0D0D">transport.vic.gov.au</span></a><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#0D0D0D">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> john whelan <</span><a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a><span style="color:black">><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 3 July 2023 10:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert C Potter (DTP) <</span><a href="mailto:Robert.Potter@roads.vic.gov.au">Robert.Potter@roads.vic.gov.au</a><span style="color:black">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> OpenStreetMap talk mailing list <</span><a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a><span style="color:black">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [OSM-talk] ODbl concerns</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you are releasing data under an open government license then .odbl etc shouldn't come into it.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Have a look at the Canadian Federal government license 2.0<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://open.canada.ca/en/open-government-licence-canada__;!!C5rN6bSF!G2U6Zb2seMiuNJs_FPf8peH3kbw_V9vrfuT-k_JX_EqAy3V9uDNyeVpGKdcL1u_uGXsKeWmOqzoEBE27J2c6xfLouWXR-KVz$">https://open.canada.ca/en/open-government-licence-canada</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This took a number of years to thrash out and has been formally accepted by OSM etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheerio John<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jul 2, 2023, 20:13 Robert C Potter (DTP) via talk <<a href="mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org">talk@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Representing the state transport authority (Department of Transport and Planning) we have made the strategic decision to use OSM as our foundational mapping data
source. We are confident that this is a decision will be of value to both ourselves improving the management of the networks (road, Train, Bus, tram) and adding significantly to the citizens of the state.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Our intended use of OSM is built on an extract being done then validating that extract for the gazetted/official place and road names. The resultant validated dataset
will be shared that via our Opendata portal. Our state government has a strong commitment to sharing all data openly. We are currently developing that process and should be in production by the end of the year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Alas, there has been concern from our distribution partners with the ODbl license requirement to "Share alike". You know these companies; Google, Here, Tomtom and
Apple.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">The information we would share, and all shared as ODbl;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I am wondering how we, can continue engage with these partners and use and improve OSM. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white;text-align:start"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Regards,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white;text-align:start"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:white"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white;text-align:start"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Robert Potter</span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white;text-align:start"><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black">Helping people use the power of location to make better decisions</span></i><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white;text-align:start"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#525252">Manager, Spatial Data Strategy</span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:black"><br>
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<p style="background:white;text-align:start"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">1 Spring Street</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white;text-align:start"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">MELBOURNE 3000</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white;text-align:start"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white;text-align:start"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#82C168">M </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">0402 484 739 </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white;text-align:start"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#82C168">F</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> 03 9935 4111</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#525252"><br>
</span><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#82C168">E </span></b><span style="color:black"><a href="mailto:Robert.Potter@roads.vic.gov.au"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Robert.Potter@roads.vic.gov.au</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#525252"><br>
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<p style="background:white;text-align:start"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#525252">I acknowledge the Traditional Aboriginal Owners of Country throughout Victoria and pay my respect to Elders past and present and emerging and to the ongoing living culture
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