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<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Apr 11, 2025, 20:42 by elgaard@agol.dk:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto">Mateusz Konieczny via talk:<br></div><blockquote><div dir="auto">I am using OSM data on my travels and one of more annoying failures is<br></div><div dir="auto">case where I arrived at some drinking water source, discovered that it<br></div><div dir="auto">is broken/gone/disused/abandoned. And on editing OSM it turns out that<br></div><div dir="auto">it was already marked this way but in a very weird way.<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I generally agree.<br></div><div dir="auto">But I do think there is also a grey area which should be discussed and documented better.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have added and updated many water_point s.<br></div><div dir="auto">Sometimes they do not work.<br></div><div dir="auto">But what if is just temporarily?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If I have reason to suspect that it is because of frost, I add seasonal=yes.<br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Some places have a policy of turning off the water from e.g., Nov-Feb. Some do not say so, but do it anyway, some just turn off the water when frost arrives, and some water_point just do not work when it is really cold.<br></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">oh yes, these type of situation is typical in Poland<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">seasonal=yes would not be trigger in my edit to mark it as disused<br></div><div dir="auto">(for start it would be wrong as these are different things)<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto">Sometimes there is a sign on the water_point saying: "Out of service".<br></div><div dir="auto">You would think that if the owner of a motorhome stopover or the city put up such a sign, it will be fixed quickly. <br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">I would not be so optimistic :)</div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto">So I just add a note, to warn users. And you will skip things with notes, so that is fine.<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">:)</div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto">Sometimes the sign look very old though. But at least if some OSM come months or years later and see my then old note, they know that it was not just temporarily.<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">yes, at that point it would be probably better to tag it as disused</div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto">In Spain there was a drought and water became very expensive, so some places just turned if off. But most likely the water_point will work when there is no drought.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote><div dir="auto">for https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5036984190 <https://www.openstreetmap.org/ node/5036984190><br></div><div dir="auto">* removed: amenity = water_point<br></div><div dir="auto">* removed: man_made = water_well<br></div><div dir="auto">* removed: operational_status = out_of_order<br></div><div dir="auto">* added: disused:amenity = water_point<br></div><div dir="auto">* added: disused:man_made = water_well<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I agree that water_point should be removed.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But I am not sure, that it is not a man_made water_well.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The wiki is not clear about that.<br></div><div dir="auto">I.e. it shows<br></div><div dir="auto">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Baudenbach_D-5-75-113-5_001.JPG<br></div><div dir="auto">and<br></div><div dir="auto">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Studnia.jpg<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">which would be difficult to get water from.<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">note that something may be operational with restricted access - and it would get<br></div><div dir="auto">different tags</div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It could be argued that a well could be a historic building even if you can not get water from it.<br></div><div dir="auto">Like a windmill can be tagged windmill:disused=yes but is still a windmill.<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">in such case <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">disused:man_made = water_well <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">seems clearly preferable over <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">disused=yes man_made=water_well<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">(see also</div><pre><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/tagging-inactive-water-wells-man-made-water-well-disused-yes-vs-disused-man-made-water-well/97827">https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/tagging-inactive-water-wells-man-made-water-well-disused-yes-vs-disused-man-made-water-well/97827
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</a><br></pre><div dir="auto">Though I would consider adding also historic=water_well + tourism=attraction, heritage ref<br></div><div dir="auto">as applicable.<br></div><div dir="auto">(these would not be done in this proposed bot edit)</div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto">When I look for water sources, I would never search for wells. It they do provide drinking water, they should have more tags to provide that information.<br></div><div dir="auto">I would assume that just about any water well with drinking water is operated by some municipality and that there is no public access, even though that is mostly not tagged as such. Most wells here are the kind that tourists throw coins into.<br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">note that very large part of these objects are in Africa where situation is a bit more diverse<br></div><div dir="auto">though I agree that some extra tags from on the ground survey would be very helpful</div><div dir="auto"><br></div> </body>
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