[OSM-dev] Fwd: Re: Project Proposal - Waze Integration

[Thomas Meller]

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Datum: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:05:53 +0100
Von: "Thomas Meller" <thomas.meller at gmx.net>
An: Nic Roets <nroets at gmail.com>
Betreff: Re: [OSM-dev] Project Proposal - Waze Integration

I am glad they build their own map.
The project will get stuck. The social mechanics won't support complete map data in rural areas. It never will.
The quality of IPhone GPS-traces is well known to be bad.
The idea is sexy, but not at all compatible with OSM's goals.

As long as users don't expect good routing outside of the US, the concept may work, though.

As for the project proposal: you could use waze traffic data to make OSM routing better.
A user-contributed traffic density plugin could feed other services as well, but there are licensing issues. See terms of use (http://world.waze.com/legal/tos/), item 2.7 and 3.1!
Transmitting gpx traces in realtime to create realistic maxspeed metrics looks promising at first glance.
The crucial thing is the post-processing platform. There will be need for pattern searches to get good estimates (ex: holidays, rush hours, fairs).

Defining API interfaces to be filled with functionality someday could be a nice-to-have on the future student-projects page and a basis for further developing mature concepts, even if the project proposed by the student does not deliver data or code to be directly used in OSM. Experience is what counts.

As a result, I think waze does not contribute to open source other than using open source efforts by others to get promoted as a data supplier.

It might be possible to write plugins which deliver data to waze and other services at the same time. I think this would not break their copyright conditions. But to be sure, I would discuss this well on osm-legal.

mixed feelings,
Thomas

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> Datum: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:17:59 +0200
> Von: Nic Roets <nroets at gmail.com>
> An: Graham Jones <grahamjones139 at googlemail.com>
> CC: OSM-Dev Openstreetmap <dev at openstreetmap.org>
> Betreff: Re: [OSM-dev] Project Proposal - Waze Integration

> Hello Graham,
> 
> AFAIK Waze wants to build their own map of the world and sees OSM as
> competition. Waze has already imported TIGER, which is PD and I don't
> think Waze will be a viable concept without TIGER. SteveC reviewed
> their Iphone app on his blog.
> 
> There is however scope for building our own Waze infrastructure:
> 1. Mobile apps for collecting tracklogs. Or libraries that app
> developers can use.
> 2. A repository for GPX data that does not have the privacy concerns
> our repository current have.
> 3. Algorithms for fixing TIGER data using GPX tracks and / or
> detecting delays in the road network.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> 
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Graham Jones
> <grahamjones139 at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Folks,
> > A student has contacted me about a potential Google Summer of Code
> proposal
> > to provide integration between OSM and
> >
> Waze (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Project_Ideas_2010#Waze_Integration).
> > I had never heard of Waze before, but it seems to be a combination of a
> user
> > contributed map (like OSM), and traffic information, again user
> contributed.
> > It sounds sensible to me to use OSM as the base map, and Waze to handle
> the
> > traffic information.
> > There are a couple of things that I do not understand though, and would
> > appreciate some help so that I can guide the student appropriately:
> >
> > For some reason, Waze seem to be producing their own map rather than
> using
> > OSM as the basis - does anyone know why?  The student says he has
> contacted
> > Waze and they said it was because of licensing issues - this is a
> surprise
> > to me, because I think our license is pretty relaxed.  Has anyone been
> in
> > touch with them about it?  (Please don't turn this into a 'OSM should
> be PD'
> > dabate!!).
> > Assuming that the license issue can be sorted, has anyone looked at what
> > Waze are doing and how it could be used with OSM?  If so, can you
> suggest
> > some ideas for a closed-scope student project?
> >
> > Thanks for your help!
> > Regards
> > Graham.
> > --
> > Dr. Graham Jones
> > Hartlepool, UK
> > email: grahamjones139 at gmail.com
> >
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