From andrewhainosm at hotmail.co.uk Tue Aug 4 18:37:04 2020 From: andrewhainosm at hotmail.co.uk (Andrew Hain) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 18:37:04 +0000 Subject: [OSM-dev] Potlatch 1 Message-ID: Sorry for an email that newer contributors don’t understand. How much have Potlatch 1 and amf_controller been used recently? How many of the uses were undeletes? What is the recommended alternative when browser Flash isn’t available? -- Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ajt1047 at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 19:43:34 2020 From: ajt1047 at gmail.com (Andy Townsend) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 20:43:34 +0100 Subject: [OSM-dev] Potlatch 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4c44f0b4-6643-db57-780d-2d558a343554@gmail.com> On 04/08/2020 19:37, Andrew Hain wrote: > Sorry for an email that newer contributors don’t understand. > > How much have Potlatch 1 and amf_controller been used recently? > > How many of the uses were undeletes? > > What is the recommended alternative when browser Flash isn’t available? > I can't answer the general question, but where I tend to use Potlatch 1 is when I quickly want to: 1. Quickly restore an object to a previous version of my choice 2. See what has been deleted in an area over time It's possible to do (1) with the perl revert scripts.  I don't believe it's as straightforward (to "a previous version of my choice") with JOSM, though if you're prepared to spend time with partial reverts you should be able to achieve the same thing. With the perl scripts you actually have more choice up front about how you handle dependencies; with JOSM you get more chance to do it interactively - neither of these approaches is right or wrong; each is relevant at different times. You do can do something a bit like (2) with Overpass if you know a date and time upon which the thing you want to restore existed. In areas where there has been a lot of previous activity, e.g. around "null island" - https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch&changeset=88315342#map=19/0.00008/0.00005 _you'll either wait ages for data to load or it'll fail altogether, whereas https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/WLl (an overpass query for any way in that area at a given date) is instantaneous. If I want to do what what you might call a "simple object undelete" then JOSM's the best place to start anyway.  For "simple changeset revert" it may be too; the exceptions being if you want to revert a lot of changesets or expect to have to do a lot of reconciliation, in which case JOSM's interactive approach is unlikely to be ideal. Best Regards, Andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mapper+dev at minoa.li Tue Aug 25 16:53:39 2020 From: mapper+dev at minoa.li (ika-chan! (OpenStreetMap)) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 17:53:39 +0100 Subject: [OSM-dev] Questions on modifying openstreetmap-carto Message-ID: <53C2A9F7-0881-4DED-A339-B15709BA7FD5@minoa.li> Hello, I have made significant progress in creating a tutorial for a fantasy map server on the wiki, having gone as far as getting Nominatim and its UI working last night. Now, I am moving my focus to modding OpenStreetMap Carto, and I know a few very basic modifications, like recolouring existing features (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ika-chan!/British_road_colours). However, I would like to expand on mere recolouring and ask how I can modify OpenStreetMap Carto to: 1. Render “railway=rail” in a different colour when “highspeed=yes”. 2. Render “railway=station” in a different icon when the key “network” contains a certain value or a combination of certain values like (but not exclusively) “National Rail” or “TfL Rail”. I am still new to OpenStreetMap Carto’s language: I assume that the developers use a text editor for all the rendering rules? Best, — ika-chan! From matkoniecz at tutanota.com Tue Aug 25 18:52:57 2020 From: matkoniecz at tutanota.com (Mateusz Konieczny) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:52:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [OSM-dev] Questions on modifying openstreetmap-carto In-Reply-To: <53C2A9F7-0881-4DED-A339-B15709BA7FD5@minoa.li> References: <53C2A9F7-0881-4DED-A339-B15709BA7FD5@minoa.li> Message-ID: Yes, I always used normal text editor. If you want to see how changes are done I would recommend looking at pull requests and commit history. 25 Aug 2020, 18:53 by mapper+dev at minoa.li: > Hello, > > I have made significant progress in creating a tutorial for a fantasy map server on the wiki, having gone as far as getting Nominatim and its UI working last night. > > Now, I am moving my focus to modding OpenStreetMap Carto, and I know a few very basic modifications, like recolouring existing features (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ika-chan!/British_road_colours). However, I would like to expand on mere recolouring and ask how I can modify OpenStreetMap Carto to: > > 1. Render “railway=rail” in a different colour when “highspeed=yes”. > 2. Render “railway=station” in a different icon when the key “network” contains a certain value or a combination of certain values like (but not exclusively) “National Rail” or “TfL Rail”. > > I am still new to OpenStreetMap Carto’s language: I assume that the developers use a text editor for all the rendering rules? > > Best, > > — ika-chan! > _______________________________________________ > dev mailing list > dev at openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ajt1047 at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 20:44:55 2020 From: ajt1047 at gmail.com (Andy Townsend) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 21:44:55 +0100 Subject: [OSM-dev] Questions on modifying openstreetmap-carto In-Reply-To: References: <53C2A9F7-0881-4DED-A339-B15709BA7FD5@minoa.li> Message-ID: <791d5cea-b344-242e-b99e-e9b26a415ee9@gmail.com> On 25/08/2020 19:52, Mateusz Konieczny via dev wrote: > Yes, I always used normal text editor. > Same here.  There are projects such as https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TileMill which were / are designed to automate map reloading after changes, but when I last used TileMill (a long time ago) there were signnificant problems using TileMill with an OSM Carto-derived style (not least - there are so many tabs that they disappeared off the screen).  I tend to just reload when I want to rerender.  When changing my own OSM Carto-derived map style I use https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/blob/master/update_render.sh and https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/blob/master/update_carto.sh to reload data (the first if a lua script has changed and the database needs to be reloaded; the second if only a style file has changed and the style just needs to be recompiled). > If you want to see how changes are done > I would recommend looking at pull requests > and commit history. > I tried to summarise "Adding a change to OSM Carto" at https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/43041 ; some of that won't be relevant but some of it might still be - things like testing the effect of a colour change. If you haven't seen it already, please do read https://ircama.github.io/osm-carto-tutorials/git-workflow/ and the related tutorials there - they're excellent! Best Regards, Andy From matkoniecz at tutanota.com Wed Aug 26 07:11:44 2020 From: matkoniecz at tutanota.com (Mateusz Konieczny) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:11:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [OSM-dev] Comparing quality of different geocoders? Message-ID: Is anyone aware about some test suite comparing different geocoders? Something with query + expected result pairs, and listing where Nominatim / Photon / etc succeeded/failed? I want something like that, tried to find one and failed. I want to ask whatever I missed something like that before I will make it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mapper+dev at minoa.li Wed Aug 26 07:50:35 2020 From: mapper+dev at minoa.li (ika-chan! (OpenStreetMap)) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 08:50:35 +0100 Subject: [OSM-dev] Questions on modifying openstreetmap-carto In-Reply-To: <791d5cea-b344-242e-b99e-e9b26a415ee9@gmail.com> References: <53C2A9F7-0881-4DED-A339-B15709BA7FD5@minoa.li> <791d5cea-b344-242e-b99e-e9b26a415ee9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CEF3A27-708A-4C73-88FF-6259177D9537@minoa.li> Hello again, I am starting to get the basics of adding new fields to project.mml, but I now wish to update “amenity-points” so that bus stops use the network name from the “stop_area”, like they do in France. At the moment I can manage: tags->'network' AS network, … which calls up the network tag from the node only. How do I make it to read from the “stop_area” relation too? Apologies for being very specific: I am very new to anything beyond simple recolours. — ika-chan! > On 25 Aug 2020, at 21:44, Andy Townsend wrote: > > On 25/08/2020 19:52, Mateusz Konieczny via dev wrote: >> Yes, I always used normal text editor. >> > Same here. There are projects such as https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TileMill which were / are designed to automate map reloading after changes, but when I last used TileMill (a long time ago) there were signnificant problems using TileMill with an OSM Carto-derived style (not least - there are so many tabs that they disappeared off the screen). I tend to just reload when I want to rerender. When changing my own OSM Carto-derived map style I use https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/blob/master/update_render.sh and https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/blob/master/update_carto.sh to reload data (the first if a lua script has changed and the database needs to be reloaded; the second if only a style file has changed and the style just needs to be recompiled). > > >> If you want to see how changes are done >> I would recommend looking at pull requests >> and commit history. >> > I tried to summarise "Adding a change to OSM Carto" at https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/43041 ; some of that won't be relevant but some of it might still be - things like testing the effect of a colour change. > > If you haven't seen it already, please do read https://ircama.github.io/osm-carto-tutorials/git-workflow/ and the related tutorials there - they're excellent! > > Best Regards, > > Andy > > > > _______________________________________________ > dev mailing list > dev at openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev From matkoniecz at tutanota.com Wed Aug 26 07:59:51 2020 From: matkoniecz at tutanota.com (Mateusz Konieczny) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:59:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [OSM-dev] Questions on modifying openstreetmap-carto In-Reply-To: <4CEF3A27-708A-4C73-88FF-6259177D9537@minoa.li> References: <53C2A9F7-0881-4DED-A339-B15709BA7FD5@minoa.li> <791d5cea-b344-242e-b99e-e9b26a415ee9@gmail.com> <4CEF3A27-708A-4C73-88FF-6259177D9537@minoa.li> Message-ID: "reading from relation" part is quite hard. I have no idea how to do that. Aug 26, 2020, 09:50 by mapper+dev at minoa.li: > Hello again, > > I am starting to get the basics of adding new fields to project.mml, but I now wish to update “amenity-points” so that bus stops use the network name from the “stop_area”, like they do in France. At the moment I can manage: > > tags->'network' AS network, > > … which calls up the network tag from the node only. How do I make it to read from the “stop_area” relation too? > > Apologies for being very specific: I am very new to anything beyond simple recolours. > > — ika-chan! > >> On 25 Aug 2020, at 21:44, Andy Townsend wrote: >> >> On 25/08/2020 19:52, Mateusz Konieczny via dev wrote: >> >>> Yes, I always used normal text editor. >>> >> Same here. There are projects such as https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TileMill which were / are designed to automate map reloading after changes, but when I last used TileMill (a long time ago) there were signnificant problems using TileMill with an OSM Carto-derived style (not least - there are so many tabs that they disappeared off the screen). I tend to just reload when I want to rerender. When changing my own OSM Carto-derived map style I use https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/blob/master/update_render.sh and https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/blob/master/update_carto.sh to reload data (the first if a lua script has changed and the database needs to be reloaded; the second if only a style file has changed and the style just needs to be recompiled). >> >> >>> If you want to see how changes are done >>> I would recommend looking at pull requests >>> and commit history. >>> >> I tried to summarise "Adding a change to OSM Carto" at https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/43041 ; some of that won't be relevant but some of it might still be - things like testing the effect of a colour change. >> >> If you haven't seen it already, please do read https://ircama.github.io/osm-carto-tutorials/git-workflow/ and the related tutorials there - they're excellent! >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Andy >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dev mailing list >> dev at openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dev mailing list > dev at openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lonvia at denofr.de Wed Aug 26 09:04:33 2020 From: lonvia at denofr.de (Sarah Hoffmann) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:04:33 +0100 Subject: [OSM-dev] Comparing quality of different geocoders? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20200826090432.GA23291@denofr.de> Hi, On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 09:11:44AM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via dev wrote: > Is anyone aware about some test suite comparing different geocoders? > > Something with query + expected result pairs, and listing where Nominatim / Photon / etc succeeded/failed? > > I want something like that, tried to find one and failed. > > I want to ask whatever I missed something like that before I will make it. There are a couple of test suits out there. The two that come immediately to mind are: https://github.com/geocoders/geocoder-tester https://github.com/pelias/fuzzy-tester The issue with all these is that you have to define what you actually want to compare. Depending on what kind of queries you run and how you define the results you get, you'll get very different results. Sarah From matkoniecz at tutanota.com Wed Aug 26 11:10:32 2020 From: matkoniecz at tutanota.com (Mateusz Konieczny) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 13:10:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [OSM-dev] Comparing quality of different geocoders? In-Reply-To: <20200826090432.GA23291@denofr.de> References: <20200826090432.GA23291@denofr.de> Message-ID: Aug 26, 2020, 11:04 by lonvia at denofr.de: > Hi, > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 09:11:44AM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via dev wrote: > >> Is anyone aware about some test suite comparing different geocoders? >> >> Something with query + expected result pairs, and listing where Nominatim / Photon / etc succeeded/failed? >> >> I want something like that, tried to find one and failed. >> >> I want to ask whatever I missed something like that before I will make it. >> > > There are a couple of test suits out there. The two that come > immediately to mind are: > https://github.com/geocoders/geocoder-tester > https://github.com/pelias/fuzzy-tester > Thanks! I will need to look how tightly pelias/fuzzy-tester is integrated with just pelias and is it viable to expand/use it to support testing REST apis. Maybe it will be easier to write something small from scratch. > The issue with all these is that you have to define what you > actually want to compare. Depending on what kind of queries you > run and how you define the results you get, you'll get very different > results. > Oh, I know! For example cases such as "Elementary school number 12, Streetname 19" where address and object are at different locations and expected result completely depends on what user wants. Or slang/local/vulgar names where some would prefer not finding them and not listing them over finding them, even if naming is real. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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