[diversity-talk] Further Discussion on Increasing Diversity

Tue Apr 1 00:22:41 UTC 2014

OK! I won't be able to make tomorrow but look forward to any insight and updates.

Alyssa.

> On Mar 31, 2014, at 7:37 PM, Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Sorry for the delay, I should have responded to say March 31st is a
> holiday in Indonesia and I wasn't going to make it. Let's stick to the
> time tomorrow and then we can see about scheduling regular meetings. I
> think having a meeting once a month or every couple weeks could be
> beneficial.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Kate
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:27 PM, alyssa wright <alyssapwright at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I won't be able to make April 2nd. Is it possible to speak on Monday, March
>> 31st?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Alyssa.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 5:38 AM, Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Steven,
>>> 
>>> Yes April 2nd.
>>> 
>>> I agree I think education is very important way to get people
>>> interested. HOT has been in the midst of a "University Roadshow"
>>> within Indonesia. We will have introduced 11 universities to
>>> OpenStreetMap as well as given students a chance to sign-up for
>>> workshops.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> -Kate
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Steven Johnson <sejohnson8 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Kate & lists,
>>>> 
>>>> If you mean, Wed, 2 April then yes, count me in.
>>>> 
>>>> As fodder for the discussion, here's an article about a college trying
>>>> to
>>>> make CS studies more inclusive: http://tinyurl.com/ltl8yhr There are
>>>> some
>>>> transferable lessons for the OSM community.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm cross-posting this reply to teachosm list because I've come to the
>>>> conclusion that the route to diversity is goes directly through
>>>> education
>>>> and outreach. If we train middle- and high-schoolers to get involved
>>>> mapping
>>>> at a younger age, we stand a better chance at broadening the base of
>>>> contributors. But we need an effort that scales and can be pitched
>>>> toward a
>>>> younger audience.
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps we can talk about this on the Wed call and tee up a follow-up
>>>> birds-of-a-feather session the upcoming State o' the Map conference.
>>>> 
>>>> SEJ
>>>> 
>>>> -- SEJ
>>>> -- twitter: @geomantic
>>>> -- skype: sejohnson8
>>>> 
>>>> There are two types of people in the world. Those that can extrapolate
>>>> from
>>>> incomplete data.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> How about we schedule a meeting next week to discuss some possible
>>>>> steps? If I suggest Wednesday at 14:00 UTC does that work for most
>>>>> people that are interested?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll volunteer HOT's mumble server(1) for the discuss unless someone
>>>>> wants to volunteer a conference call line (which works
>>>>> internationally).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Kate
>>>>> 
>>>>> (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just wanted to share this article on editathons aimed at closing
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> gender gap in Wikipedia(1).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Another item we could think about for mapping parties is to have a
>>>>>> diversity statement. Groups could simply link to it on their meet-up
>>>>>> page or whatever software they are using to organize.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Kate
>>>>>> (1)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://blogs.kcrw.com/whichwayla/2014/02/edit-a-thons-aim-to-erase-wikipedias-gender-gap
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Randal Hale
>>>>>> <rjhale at northrivergeographic.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I think the biggest problem in general is attracting new people - be
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> black white male female or green.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> OSM is a niche thing - It doesn't matter what is done with new
>>>>>>> editors
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> new ideas - your typical user isn't going to muck around in the wiki
>>>>>>> (which
>>>>>>> is a mess) OR get on a talk list and hope to get one of the people
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> don't consider OSM their own personal playground.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you want to learn OSM on the WIKI one of the first things covered
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> loading GPX data - once again new users don't care about that (maybe
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> they get more advanced - yes). The LearnOSM site is good - BUT -
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> definitive? The wiki OR the LearnOSM site (or maybe they both have
>>>>>>> their own
>>>>>>> merits.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I always try to look at it from a "win" perspective - how does OSM
>>>>>>> win?
>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>> me it's a win if I can convince an elderly  person to map their
>>>>>>> neighborhood
>>>>>>> or a kid to map their elementary school or something they enjoy. I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> tried these very things - but knowing I would be the portal into OSM
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> isn't a good spot for them to get that type of support and
>>>>>>> understanding and
>>>>>>> get questions answered. I spent a wonderful amount of time in the US
>>>>>>> Virgin
>>>>>>> Islands working this previous summer - and that was always something
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> wondered about "How can I convince a resident to show what they
>>>>>>> "love"
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> OSM - be it their neighborhood or school or church?" The second
>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>> became if I do this - "who will they end up talking to if they get
>>>>>>> active".
>>>>>>> The second question always worried me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We've had conversations on this end about the "community map" aspect
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> OSM
>>>>>>> - is it really just that? We've been beating a dead horse on other
>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>> lists on "OSM Community" - and I think that is something that needs
>>>>>>> definition - who do you want in OSM? Is it everyone? Is it only a
>>>>>>> select
>>>>>>> group? What is the current community? How is that defined?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Randy
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>> Randal Hale, GISP
>>>>>>> North River Geographic Systems, Inc
>>>>>>> http://www.northrivergeographic.com
>>>>>>> 423.653.3611 rjhale at northrivergeographic.com
>>>>>>> rjhale at northrivergeographic.com
>>>>>>> twitter:rjhale
>>>>>>> http://about.me/rjhale
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 02/13/2014 08:29 AM, Alex Barth wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My top two priorities for increasing diversity, especially at
>>>>>>> events,
>>>>>>> are:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Appeal to newcomers. We're never going to create diversity with
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> who are already part of OSM, so I try to make sure I'm speaking to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> people who I haven't met yet rather than the crowd who's in the
>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>> - I make a personal effort to reach out to women to get involved.
>>>>>>> Diversity
>>>>>>> is not just more women, I know, but this is actionable.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Fozy 81 <fozy81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes, I'd be interested to attend a meeting on Diversity.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And on mapping parties/meetups. The wiki could be updated to
>>>>>>>> include a
>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>> tips on how to be inclusive.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So in my experience - first I started in a pub on a week night. And
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> honest that is an easy way to start (no room hire, convenient,
>>>>>>>> beer).
>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>> nothing wrong with that . But have made the effort to mix it up
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> different venues and times to possibly attract different groups
>>>>>>>> (which
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> worked to some extent).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So I guess, the main thing is to run an event - it's a fun thing to
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> will gather the existing community and may attract new people. But
>>>>>>>> IMHO if
>>>>>>>> you are planning on running a series of events - try to mix the
>>>>>>>> venues,
>>>>>>>> times and groups you are interacting with. And try to find
>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>> contacts/ways to broadcast your event (social media, email, notices
>>>>>>>> etc).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> + 1 all the advice on atmosphere/welcoming/questions etc
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>> 
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