[Historic] Hello list & tagging historical details

[Jeff Meyer]

Welcome, Christian!

Thanks for joining the list - would you mind forwarding this note to
talk-fr?

Those threads on talk-fr look like exactly what we have in mind for
Historical OSM:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2012-December/052738.html
http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=376&start=0
http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=395&start=0

And, the questions you ask about tagging are at the core of what we are
trying to figure out, which is: how should we do this?

Welcome aboard!
Regards,
Jeff



On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Christian Quest <cquest at openstreetmap.fr>wrote:

> I subscribed today to this list after seing some mention of Historical
> OSM in one of Jeff message on another OSM list.
>
> I'm also interested in that area, keeping track of data from the past
> if possible directly in OSM.
>
> Who am I ?
>
> My french accent is hidden by the internet (so far) but, yes, I'm from
> Paris area (this will help understand my strange english sometime).
>
> I've been mapping my home town extensively over the past years after
> discovering OSM because of genealogy (looking for place names, and
> people names in toponyms*). I'm involved in OpenStreetMap France board
> (secretary of our non profit association).
>
> On the french OSM forum, we had a recent talk about historical details
> in OSM. I started drafting some tagging scheme that would not collide
> with present tags.
>
> I've only tried to deal with tags, the semantic part of OSM, not the
> geometry part that may also depend on the time.
>
> The idea is to add a time range to a tag, example:
>
> The current name is "Place Charles de Gaulle", but until 1970 it was
> "Place de l'Etoile" (located on the upper end of Champ Elysée in
> Paris).
> name[:1970]=Place de l'Etoile
> name=Place Charles de Gaulle
>
> A building was a court house until 1927 and is not a shoe shop (at my
> street corner):
> building=yes
> shop=shoes
> amenity[1905:1927]=court_house
>
>
> Dates can be formatted to deal with different calendars, BC dates, fuzzy
> dates.
> Data users that do not want to keep these details from the past can
> simply trash any tag containing brackets.
> If you want to deal with these details, extraction of the date range
> can then be stored in additional "start/end" fields the database
> schema you're using.
>
> Well, this is more a brainstorming that actually a draft of some proposal.
>
> * about toponyms, I've recently added a proposal for wikipedia:name
> tags to link a name to a wikipedia article... but this is another
> topic.
> --
> Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest
>
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Jeff Meyer
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