[OHM] The Atlas of Historical County Boundaries

Tue Mar 31 16:21:44 UTC 2015

JSOM can open Shpefiles using a plugin such as OpenData(mostly used for
imports). iD uses GeoJSON for rendering(GPX files) so I guess you could
trigger a raw GeoJSON file to render as well.

As far as I know it would not be legally to map border from a source witch
license we do not support, not by hand in any editor. You will haft to find
another source with a supported license!

//
Albin

2015-03-31 1:40 GMT+02:00 todd.d.robbins at gmail.com <todd.d.robbins at gmail.com
>:

> Tim,
>
> I'm interested in having the link.
>
> PS: This is for the whole list: what's the best workflow for getting
> Shapefiles or GeoJSON into the editors (iD/JOSM)?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Tim Waters <chippy2005 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've uploaded the NHGIS Historical States & Counties shapefile to a
>> server, can give the link via IRC or just ask via email if you want to use
>> it. It's a 237mb tarball.
>>
>> I believe the data is from the US Census dept which I think is public
>> domain? But I couldn't find much on the NHGIS site about their license - I
>> think they ask for attribution if the data is used in academic reports.
>>
>> We selected U.S. state, territory, and county boundaries for every decade
>> from 1790 to 2000, which are included as polygons. For the sake of
>> simplicity, we pulled together all of the records and merged the records
>> over the decades for which a geometry did not change (viz. boundaries
>> remained stable). This therefore includes decade ranges and geometries for
>> both states and counties.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 26 March 2015 at 10:58, Tim Waters <chippy2005 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You can also get US historical county boundaries from
>>> https://www.nhgis.org/
>>>
>>> For the LoC's gazetteer, we at Topomancy got all boundaries per decade
>>> and merged the geometries with start and end date stamps together where the
>>> geometry has not changed from period to period
>>>
>>>
>>> http://loc.gazetteer.us/search?q=amelia%20virginia&page=1&bbox=-79.17022705078125,36.033552893400376,-76.55548095703125,37.844494798834596&origins=nhgis
>>>
>>> I'm not sure of the licensing of this NHGIS dataset, but I should be
>>> able to find the shapefile easily enough.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On 25 March 2015 at 22:44, Jeff Meyer <jeff at gwhat.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Todd -
>>>>
>>>> It would be great if you could take the lead on patching /
>>>> collaboratively drafting. We do need some help here.
>>>>
>>>> That said... this is a big question area - how _do_ we want to manage
>>>> the data inside OHM? We aren't bound to adhere to the OSM ODBL license
>>>> (apologies if I'm out of date on the latest OSM licensing thinking). But,
>>>> if we have plans to import much OSM data (a la city stripping), which is a
>>>> huge advantage of leveraging the OSM stack and data, we should think
>>>> carefully about how we mix data from OSM along with data from other sources
>>>> (e.g. Open Context, Pleaides) that might cc0-based/variations of database
>>>> licenses (and possibly preferable to ODBL for OHM).
>>>>
>>>> This all makes me wonder if all OHM imports and data entry should be
>>>> explicitly tagged with a data source (for provenance and copyright
>>>> purposes).
>>>>
>>>> We definitely need some leadership here (Todd?) & I'd be glad to
>>>> recruit legal assistance to help us figure out / implement what is is we'd
>>>> like to do.
>>>>
>>>> - Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:17 PM, todd.d.robbins at gmail.com <
>>>> todd.d.robbins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Eric,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's great to know! On a related note: we need to update this
>>>>> documentation ASAP: http://www.openhistoricalmap.org/copyright
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this something I could patch? Or do we want to draft it
>>>>> collaboratively?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 1:12 PM, todd.d.robbins at gmail.com <
>>>>> todd.d.robbins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Very important points Jerry. Thank you! I guess I'll start tracing
>>>>>> these by hand in JOSM/geojson.io then. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A more direct route could be to discuss a change in licensing
>>>>>> directly with The Newberry. Sounds like the idea is off the table for now
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> –Tod
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 1:08 PM, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The data are CC-BY-NC-SA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not something we have talked about in any detail, but in
>>>>>>> general I would assume we want to work OHM on license terms similar or
>>>>>>> equivalent to OSM (i.e., ODbL, which allow commercial usage). The academic
>>>>>>> world tends to release things CC-BY-NC-SA, but recent German case law
>>>>>>> interprets that as 'for private use only', e.g., publication in a journal
>>>>>>> published by a for-profit company, even if the author receives no payment,
>>>>>>> would (quite rightly IMO) be deemed commercial.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This does raise a problem because many in the digital humanities are
>>>>>>> fine with CC-BY-NC-SA, there is no consensus to accept eliminating the
>>>>>>> non-commercial restriction. It also means that certain fine digital
>>>>>>> humanities data collections are not directly usable in OHM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is an issue which we need to discuss.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS. I have looked at time to time at historical boundaries in
>>>>>>> England & Wales: even quite recent boundary changes would be useful, just
>>>>>>> to interpret some current Open Data releases.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25 March 2015 at 17:39, todd.d.robbins at gmail.com <
>>>>>>> todd.d.robbins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone want to work with me to get these boundary changes into OHM?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://publications.newberry.org/ahcbp/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Tod Robbins
>>>>>>>> Digital Asset Manager, MLIS
>>>>>>>> todrobbins.com | @todrobbins <http://www.twitter.com/#!/todrobbins>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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