[Hot-francophone] [activation hotosm] Hurricane Matthew response : Imagery/UAV coordination and support to local Haitian UAV capacities

Lun 10 Oct 01:34:53 UTC 2016

Hi everyone,

Neat reading about your UAV achievements Fred, how these serve and will
serve the current response and to learn about your now volunteering work
for the Haitian government.

Dale, Blake and Cristiano: none asked for HOT US Inc to step into UAV
coordination, but just to consider and support via small means a local
collective of professional dronists highly cognizant of Haiti in
emergency/development contexts, nothing more!

The lack of consideration and support from HOT US Inc for the local UAV
capacities reveals what HOT lost since 2010 and ability to change the game
in terms of pre-crisis GIS baseline generation tied to effective local
community capacities building schemes in an agile manner. Fred, none has
spoken in your name but referred to this experience attached to your name
which acts as a revelatory of what HOT US Inc did lose and actually is.
This casts doubts about the reality of HOT US Inc local community support
schemes and make one wonder if they are just useful communication and
fundraising tools.

When anyone who conveyed (HOT US Inc included) to the Word Humanitarian
Summit (WHS) agreed to drastic change in the way the humanitarian system
works and the need to put at its centre empowered local communities, HOT US
inc lack of consideration/inclusion of Haitian local capacities forged
through the Haiti 2010 Quake humanitarian and reconstruction efforts speaks
for itself.

Lastly, a word on the conditions under which those emails were written. I
am coordinating with Severin Ménard (and seconded in this by Augustin Doury
and Amadou Ndong) a team of 30 west african mappers to run three capacity
building trainings of 10 days each around OSM/QGIS/GeOrchestra in Bouaké
for overall 60 persons. At the same time we had been engaging and
organizing Western African and Haitian mappers in the current OSM response.
The last 10 days had all to do with a very intense humanitarian deploy fo
14/16 hours of work a day. I wish I can spend more time training,
organizing Western African to grow their ability to map in development and
in humanitarian contexts as well as supporting Haitians responding to
Cyclone Matthew via a decentralized and openstreetmap response inclusive of
local mappers..

Best,
Nicolas

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 12:54 PM, FredM <frmoine at gmail.com> wrote:

> I finally took the time to read,
>
> And by the way, I want to send a message to HT talk and OSM Haiti.
>
> We tried our best to continue to run our drone operation to highlight some
> problem in Haiti. Since 2012, we tried to find some fund to fly over Canaan
> area.
>
> Since 2014 or earlier, international community came in Canaan Area and we
> had to stop our mapping party in Canaan. So in 2015 we proposed to fly over
> this area to ARC and others to maintain a link with this area. We asked to
> cover the cost of the drone and the team.
>
> Our goal is to finalize our methodology, and cover the cost to run a drone
> unit in Haiti (it is quite costly) to help other community.
>
> http://potentiel3-0.org/index.php/en/
>
> As I am in Haiti, we can discuss about it ( 36 19 45 44)  but again we
> spent our own money, and received in 2014 the help of Cartong. We got a
> small contract with ARC just now in fact. It help us to pay a new camera
> and fix our drone....
>
> But our goal is still the same highlight some problem with accuracy and
> find local solution.
>
> So I have tried to make a coordination with hot Tanzania project this year
> but I didn't success. At least I have tried....
>
> Right now, we are using drone to find the best warehouse for the operation
> in Jeremie, later for the damage assessment.  I am volunteer for the
> Haitian government for the moment.
>
> All the best and thanks all for the work done for Haiti.  And help us to
> build local capacity, open mind,  it is the most important at the end.
>
> FredM
>
>
> wrote:
>
> Great job Fred, glad that you've managed to get things going on your own.
> When if you have the imagery available please feel free to let us know and
> we can make sure it's available on OpenAerialMap.
>
> Stay safe and we wish you the best.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:34 PM, FredM <frmoine at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oups,
>>
>> Didn't read all your message. I have seen my name but I don't have time
>> for that.
>>
>> Could you stop to use it as I have no time to cross check what you said.
>> Fred can talk for Fred : )
>>
>> Just came back from an assessment in Jeremie for the gouvernment. We have
>> huge work to do. So I am right now with the CNIGS and civil protection. In
>> the field we flew drone for planification ( Warehouse, fix the port, damage
>> assessment, etc...)
>>
>> Let me know if you have more UAV resource, For now we have 2 ebee and 3
>> quadecopter. + Satellite imagery.
>>
>> Drone imagery is useful, we are using it in our NGO to promote technology
>> and use it for local community. Not for the business or the storytelling.
>>
>> Only for operational purpose,... far away from the "Humanitarian circus"
>> or something else.
>>
>> All the best FredM
>>
>> On 09/10/2016 01:58, Dale Kunce wrote:
>>
>> Hey everyone,
>> First thanks to everyone that has contributed to the base mapping thus
>> far. Many humanitarian groups including the Red Cross, Canadian Military,
>> and the UN. I would much rather be mapping than responding to the copious
>> emails but I wanted to try and end the discussion so we can get back to
>> mapping.
>>
>> There has been a lot of chatter about UAV imagery the disaster imagery
>> charter on the list serve with many accusations flying back and forth. I in
>> my role as the activation lead for Hurricane Matthew, Vice-President of
>> HOT, and GIS Lead for the American Red Cross see no value in trying to
>> coordinate UAV use in Haiti. As has been said by Blake and Cristiano both
>> of whom know more about this subject than I HOT should focus on the things
>> we do best and leave coordination of UAV use and operation to UVAviators.
>>
>> Yes HOT in 2010 was different and HOT members took extraordinary measures
>> to update the map for humanitarians. Due largely to those efforts and later
>> ones in the Philippines, West Africa, Nepal, and many others HOT has become
>> a trusted source of map data immediately following a disaster. Groups like
>> the ones mentioned above have deeply integrated into their work and trust
>> HOT and its amazing volunteers to provide the map data. One of the reasons
>> HOT is trusted is because of our consistency. We provide a very reliable
>> service without causing a lot of drama for the large humanitarian
>> organizations. Throughout my time responding to disasters over the last few
>> years consistency is paramount during large scale disasters.
>>
>> Comparing the airspace and subsequent use of UAVs in Tanzania, during
>> normal "blue skies" times to the crowded chaotic airspace in Haiti shows a
>> lack of basic understanding of the complexity of modern humanitarian
>> operations. If I were empowered, which I'm not even close to being able to
>> do, to simply put someone in a car or on a helicopter and send them into
>> the affected areas I wouldn't. Given the reports from the area from UN, Red
>> Cross, and other NGOs I would send food, water, and shelter kits.
>>
>> HOT has declined to support Fred's effort not because we don't think he
>> has the capability but rather because HOT should and must be consistent in
>> our work. In fact, Fred flies drones professionally and is currently under
>> contract to fly a drone mission in Canaan for American Red Cross prior to
>> Hurricane Matthew, hence he was in Haiti during the storm. We must
>> understand our place during large scale international disasters, we must
>> know the limits of our work, and we must not put the organization at risk
>> without ample time to study and think about those risks.
>>
>> Lastly, as things have changed in disasters in the last few years the
>> need to activate the imagery disaster charter has largely gone away. HOT
>> has fantastic relationships with imagery providers and governments. All are
>> often happy to provide imagery when they are capable of doing so.
>>
>> If you would like to contribute to the current mapping in Haiti please
>> grab a task at http://tasks.hotosm.org
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Cristiano Giovando <
>> cristiano.giovando at hotosm.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Nicolas,
>>>
>>> As you well know HOT's strength is in pre-event baseline mapping. We
>>> have done some damage assessment and post-disaster mapping in the
>>> past, but it's not easy and with controversial results.
>>>
>>> That being said, I'm sure other responding organizations who request
>>> HOT baseline mapping support may still find it useful to have high
>>> resolution imagery of post event areas, although limited to the range
>>> of a small UAV. I'm not in a position to speak for them.
>>>
>>> Again - and I'm asking you personally, please - please let's avoid
>>> confrontation, insinuations, and bring up past arguments. It's
>>> absolutely not the time. If you care about Haiti and HOT, please try
>>> to engage with this community with a constructive, positive and humble
>>> approach. Long emails take effort and thinking, which now would be
>>> much better spent in actually doing (mapping?).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Cristiano
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 11:55 AM, nicolas chavent
>>> <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Hi Blake,
>>> >
>>> > Yes Fred and the Haitian dronists on the ground have skills and
>>> extensive
>>> > experience but little resources to keep up their work; this did not
>>> prevent
>>> > them from doing what they are good at. This can limit the span of their
>>> > action at a time where humanitarian actors need local capacities to
>>> generate
>>> > post disaster UAV imagery as well as satellite imagery to carry out
>>> post
>>> > disaster needs assessment. Support to their work can span from small
>>> > logistics support (rides in UNHAS, helis, plane and cars). This is
>>> quite
>>> > common to get such support in any sudden onset disaster responses when
>>> > GIS/UAV resources (leading to high impact for IM and decision making)
>>> > already undersized are rare, too rare.
>>> >
>>> > When HOT started its first field missions, we were exactly in the same
>>> > situation as Fred. Skilled individuals (less experimented though) with
>>> > adequate equipment, but with little operational resources. We did good.
>>> > Without the above mentioned forms of support, though our impact would
>>> have
>>> > been limited and the course of action for OMS in Haiti and in other
>>> > countries different.
>>> >
>>> > With the above in mind, it's weird to read that the president of HOT
>>> US Inc
>>> > stating that the only HOT US Inc support for Fred and this collective
>>> of
>>> > local Haitian dronists is only a well known list of UAV groups and a
>>> pointer
>>> > to UN OCHA. That's of no help.
>>> >
>>> > UAV are used in Tanzania by HOT US Inc in Development and Disaster Risk
>>> > Reduction (DRR) contexts [1]. Thanks to multi years of UAV activities
>>> in
>>> > Haiti, this country is no longer a terra incognita when it comes to
>>> drones
>>> > and there is no such thing as "UAV missions in disaster zones with
>>> > notoriously complicated airspaces" but an area where it's possible to
>>> > operate and make the difference we ought to the Haitians and to the
>>> Haitians
>>> > mappers/dronists who acquired part of their skills via HOT US Inc and
>>> OSM
>>> > folks.
>>> >
>>> > Do we have to understand that HOT US Inc will not help with simple
>>> > facilitation work with partner relief organizations working in Haiti,
>>> some
>>> > of those orgs (ARC, MSF etc) having representatives in the membership
>>> or the
>>> > Board ?
>>> >
>>> > Given where HOT US Inc comes from and ironically in Haiti, this would
>>> mean a
>>> > lot in terms of the losses of our operational/organizational ethos and
>>> would
>>> > raise questions about the reality of support/empowerment schemes to
>>> local
>>> > communities or possible conflict of interest between members/Board
>>> members
>>> > of HOT US Inc and other organizations.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Nicolas
>>> >
>>> > [1] : https://hotosm.org/projects/tanzania
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi Nico,
>>> >>
>>> >> As you say, you and Fred have extensive experience in Hait and working
>>> >> with international partners in Haiti. Fred is actually on the ground
>>> >> in Haiti. You and he would be the best to coordinate him flying
>>> >> missions.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is not something HOT does, we do not coordinate or push for UAV
>>> >> missions in disaster zones with notoriously complicated airspaces. We
>>> >> rely on, and UAV missions need to be handled, by professionals, which
>>> >> you and Fred are, so I expect you should be able to handle making the
>>> >> proper arrangements and coordinations.
>>> >>
>>> >> I already suggested who to contact, UAviators, they have coordinated
>>> >> UAV missions in disaster zones in the past numerous times in
>>> >> conjunction with UN-OCHA. That is HOT's contact, I passed it on to you
>>> >> already.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is all HOT can do, except eagerly anticipate the imagery Fred's
>>> >> missions generate.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Blake
>>> >>
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