[HOT] Kenyan or African OSM community?

[Daniel Westergren]

>
> I created this page to bring together all the developing country tagging
> issues and approaches.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Developing_Country_Infrastructure
>

Excellent. Good to have somewhere public to discuss issues.


Yea, or maybe just barrier=dry_bush. Would be added to the "Linear
> Barriers" section.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Barrier
>

Ok, I can add it there with a photo example.



> > I'd also suggest to add the intermittent tag to the HOT presets for
> rivers and streams. Virtually all rivers and streams in northern Kenya are
> intermittent. Possibly combine the preset with the
> > seasonal tag.
>
> Makes sense, looks like there are a couple approaches in use.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seasonal
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:intermittent
>

Yeah, now also discussed in another thread here.



> For making a change in the HOT presets, fork the github repo, make the
> change we think works best, and make the pull request. Should be able to do
> all of that from within your web browser, let me know if I can help.
>
> https://github.com/hotosm/presets
>

Ok, will try to add intermittent and seasonal, and possibly add some
instructions based on the outcome of the other thread.


> Lastly I'd suggest a consensus on when to use highway=track or
> highway=residential within villages. In small villages where the "road" is
> more of a track, only suitable for 4WD's, then it
> > feels more logical using track even within residential areas. It makes
> it stand out from "real roads".
> I agree, highway=residential denotes something different. But then, how to
> differentiate highway=track, which might connect a great distance, between
> something within a village? Or do we even need to differentiate these two?
>

I don't think we really need to differentiate if a track is within a
village or not. It's not always easy to know where the village begins and
ends and a track is a track. And a track mainly for cars that connects one
village to another should possibly be highway=unclassified, in combination
with surface=unpaved or similar? Although the wiki
says<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified>
for
UK: "UK: unsurfaced country roads ("green lanes") should be tagged as
highway=track if they are unfit for standard motorcar usage but available
to 4x4, bikes and foot usage."

More difficult might be to differentiate between a track and a path,
although I suppose tracktype=<grade1-5> (and/or smoothness?) could be used
to tell how good it is for vehicles. But in a small village even a path
might be used by 4WD's...

Details perhaps, but interesting and somehow important nevertheless.

/Daniel



>
> -Mikel
>
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Daniel Westergren <westis at gmail.com>
> *To:* Mikel Maron <mikel_maron at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>; "HOT at openstreetmap.org" <
> HOT at openstreetmap.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:02 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [HOT] Kenyan or African OSM community?
>
>
> 2013/8/23 Mikel Maron <mikel_maron at yahoo.com>
>
> > I think it would be great with a tagging page for Africa or even more
> generally for "subtropical" regions
>
> Agreed, we could build off the North Africa tagging page (either
> incorporate content there, or just rename the page). I'm not sure the best
> way to capture all of it with a name ... subtropics/tropics doesn't capture
> all areas which might have this kind of infrastructure, nor do all areas
> there have this kind of infrastructure (ie Florida vs N India). "Developing
> Infrastructure" might work? (Of course, any definition of developing is
> problematic...)
>
>
> I'd suggest renaming the page to avoid confusion. Perhaps Africa to start
> with and extend it to whatever term is better to include countries
> traditionally referred to as "developing countries". Or why not even use
> that term, since it's well established, although criticized? Then mappers
> can find it more easily, possibly redirect from terms like "Africa", "South
> America" and "India" as well.
>
> Also the Mali Highway page<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mali_Highway_tag>should be renamed to the name of its page: Highway Tag Africa, or similar.
>
> Is there an established workflow for adding new recommendations on those
> wiki pages?
>
> A couple of other questions that have come up relating tags in "developing
> countries":
>
>    - How to tag a fence of dry bushes laid on the ground to protect from
>    animals? Particularly in northern Kenya it's common to fence the enclosure
>    where animals stay at night, as well as the entire enclosure for a
>    family/families, that way. Hedge refers more to planted living bushes.
>    Perhaps barrier=dry_bushes?
>    - I'd also suggest to add the intermittent tag to the HOT presets for
>    rivers and streams. Virtually all rivers and streams in northern Kenya are
>    intermittent. Possibly combine the preset with the seasonal tag.
>    - Lastly I'd suggest a consensus on when to use highway=track or
>    highway=residential within villages. In small villages where the "road" is
>    more of a track, only suitable for 4WD's, then it feels more logical using
>    track even within residential areas. It makes it stand out from "real
>    roads".
>
>
>
>
> When are you next in Kenya?
>
>
> I'll be in Kenya in August next year. But I'm also trying to engage those
> who helped mapping parts of northern Kenya with Google Mapmaker. Leonard
> Ouma, a former Google Mapmaker advocate in Kenya, has already introduced
> himself on this list and will engage his fellow mapper friends too.
>
>
> This is addictive! :D
>
> /Daniel
>
>
>
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