[HOT] Task manager description/instructions #591

[Max Bainrot]

Hi Charlotte,

Welcome :)

Also in the comments sometimes people put the offsets, although note I am
not aware of a way to feed iD numerical offsets (I used iD for a day or so
then went to JOSM)

I usually align to the osm features as best as possible as this *should*
result in the most accurate atleast for manual navigable maps

But be careful, the worldview and bing imagery are at different angles (I'm
new to osm hot and osm mapping too and that one bit me on the bottom about
a few days to a week ago). Results in structures having wrong shapes from
misleading shadows, etc

Nb I am new too so if I've made some wrong assumptions please do let me know

73s,
Max - mbainrot
On 03/01/2015 6:41 am, "Blake Girardot" <bgirardot at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Charlotte,
>
> In iD:
>
> Click on the Background settings (icon looks like stack of papers).
>
> At the bottom of the slide out panel click the arrow next to "Fix
> Alignment"
>
> Then use the 4 "arrows" that show up to move the background image around
> and get it lined up.
>
> As I said, usually, if Bing is the "reference" you draw a few things
> exactly as show on Bing, then Background to switch back to the custom
> imagery and then "fix alignment" to move the custom imagery to match then
> things you drew over the Bing imagery.
>
> It is hard to find, I had to ask as well for iD.
>
> Cheers,
> Blake
>
> On 1/2/2015 8:24 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote:
>
>> Blake,
>>
>> How does one change the alignment of imagery with ID? I've been
>> mapping with ID for over a year, and I never heard of that.
>> This is just what Laura is talking about. We need plain and simple
>> guidance.
>> When both the Bing and Worldview imagery were available in Mali, I used
>> only the Bing imagery, because it was clearly superior (no huge pixels),
>> and I
>> moved objects as necessary to align with Bing.
>>
>> Charlotte
>>
>>
>> On 1/2/2015 3:14 PM, Laura Green wrote:
>>
>>> > Might someone be able to clarify the instructions shown on the HOT
>>> page please?
>>> > > I *think* it means (for JOSM users, not sure if it applies to ID):
>>> > > 1) please map roads, streets, buildings, walls, water streams and
>>> canals.
>>> > 2) disregard the automatic imagery that downloads when you
>>> contribute, download Bing imagery instead.
>>> > 3) Bing imagery is now aligned correctly (as of date xxx), so please
>>> realign or redraw vector data to match the Bing imagery.
>>>
>>> This applies to ID and JOSM. The task will load WorldView imagery
>>> for either editor. I think you have the directions basically correct,
>>> but as I read them now my understanding is this:
>>> 1. Start editing a task.
>>> 2. Load the Bing imagery (now 2013 images). (In JOSM do not use the
>>> alignment database plugin settings, they are no long needed for Bing
>>> imagery)
>>> 3. Make sure some buildings and roads are mapped correctly using the Bing
>>> imagery. Move or map some new ones to match Bing.
>>> 4. Then load the WorldView imagery (2014 imagery).
>>> 5. Background align the WorldView imagery to match what you just mapped
>>> in using the Bing imagery if needed.
>>> 6. Carry on mapping using the WorldView imagery after you have aligned
>>> it or checked its alignment.
>>> Discussion: Just make sure you use the Bing imagery as the reference. So
>>> you would not do any background image alignment with the Bing imagery.
>>> If buildings or roads were not well matched to the Bing imagery you could
>>> redraw them to match the Bing imagery. Once you have drawn some buildings
>>> and roads using the Bing imagery, you would then display the WorldView
>>> imagery and do the background image alignment to make the WorldView
>>> imagery match up with what you drew using the Bing imagery if that is
>>> needed.
>>> That process is what it means to use the Bing imagery as the reference
>>> imagery:
>>> You map some with Bing, then align any other imagery to what you
>>> mapped using
>>> the Bing imagery.
>>>
>>> > ...but I may be misinterpreting the description/instructions.
>>> > > I’d like to comment generally about the hot task manager
>>> descriptions/instructions:
>>> > > Unless indicated as "Expert only" at the very beginning of an
>>> activation page, I'm
>>> assuming all activations are for the general public to contribute to?
>>> The "whys and
>>> wherefores" and technical information I feel are often getting in the
>>> way of plain
>>> and simple guidance as to what is required, so people can just get on
>>> with it, and not
>>> have to hunt for the pertinent information.  Plainly worded bullet
>>> points would be ideal.
>>> Any "nice to know" information could be provided below this.
>>>
>>> You are right on each point here. It is a challenge though with many
>>> different people
>>> creating directions for Projects. It is too easy to forget not
>>> everyone knows what
>>> "vector data" is. And there is the issue that not everyone is a native
>>> speaker of the
>>> language the directions might be written in. We are working to create
>>> some standard
>>> sets of directions in English for things like drawing buildings and
>>> roads, aligning
>>> imagery, etc that a Project creator could , optionally, choose to use.
>>> That will help
>>> with some of the inconsistent directions.
>>> Thank you very much for helping map and please let us know if you have
>>> any further
>>> questions.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Blake
>>>
>>> > Laura Green >
>>>
>>> osm: LollyMay
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