[HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?

Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokharel at gmail.com
Mon May 4 04:45:14 UTC 2015


> A very sad one, but nothing to do
> about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM
> without that non-commercial restriction.

HOT, we must have contacts at UN OCHA, can we start a conversation to ask
if they are willing to do it? At the moment, we don't have the bandwidth
here at KLL these days to have this conversation. But as I see it, adding
POIs and named places onto the map is pretty important to focus on, in
parallel with all of the imagery-based work that we are doing.

cheers,
Prabhas

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Rafael Avila Coya <ravilacoya at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> Hi, Prabhas:
>
> I wonder if this data can be incorporated to a local or alternative
> database that can be of use in this situation.
>
> About the field papers, I don't see any problem to use this data as a
> guide of finding those health facilities and correctly geolocate them
> while surveying on the ground.
>
> Using the GNS and other place nodes already in the database, it might
> be possible to add some of this nodes to OSM. It might. But in any
> case, the license is a restriction. A very sad one, but nothing to do
> about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM
> without that non-commercial restriction.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rafael.
>
> On 04/05/15 00:26, Prabhas Pokharel wrote:
> > Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset
> > geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was
> > incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license
> > here in Nepal.
> >
> > As megha said, the reason we attempted this was because the maps
> > that HOTOSM volunteers have helped create via tracing for us is
> > amazingly detailed (in terms of residential areas, roads, pre-quake
> > buildings), but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on the
> > ground. This was an attempt to alleviate the problem, but sounds
> > like we did misinterpret the license issue, and apologies for
> > that.
> >
> > We simply did not know about the problematic geolocations. However,
> > it is worth noting that this dataset is what a lot of organizations
> > have been using locally, given that it is the best available
> > dataset of health facility locations.
> >
> > Maybe the discussion we need to have soon is how we can improve
> > OSM-based tools (MapOSMatic, Fieldpapers, etc) to incorporate
> > datasets like this that are very useful in scenarios like what we
> > are going through, but are incompatible to put into OSM because of
> > the license.
> >
> > cheers, Prabhas
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Rafael Avila Coya
> > <ravilacoya at gmail.com <mailto:ravilacoya at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all:
> >
> > Megha (MeghaShrestha), the user that imported these data, has
> > answered me through the OSM messaging. She works with the KLL and
> > she tells me: "we are trying to create papers for the relief
> > workers. The problem being there are enough details like roads,
> > buildings, rivers but no POIs in many areas. It is difficult for
> > the relief workers to locate themselves on the map. Importing the
> > health facilities data was an attempt so that they can at least
> > find some POIs they can look for while locating themselves on the
> > map. The data I imported was from
> > https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod.
> > The licence says we can use the data for non commercial purpose and
> > we need to credit the source. I hope these information are helpful
> > and you can help us out."
> >
> > With this info, I can see that the data is the one we were
> > discussing a few days ago, although that data set contained almost
> > 9,000 nodes, whereas the one of Megha had around 4,660.
> >
> > I recall the main problem: geolocation was very poor (most of nodes
> > in well out of any settlements). The other problem I see is the
> > license: it's for non-commercial use, and that makes it
> > incompatible with the OSM license.
> >
> > I really feel to give a no in such circumstances as these, and
> > that's why I ask for more input from other people with experience
> > on this, just in case there is any possibility of including the
> > data into OSM, and if not what other options we would have to make
> > good use of these data set, if any.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Rafael.
> >
> > On 03/05/15 18:14, Kretzer wrote:
> >> When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes
> >> tagged as "Hospital" with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA
> >> as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is
> >> nothing nearby. Like here:
> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 Looks
> >> like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because
> >> hospitals are important!
> >
> >
> >> By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a
> >> "task" now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole
> >> project?
> >
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Prabhas Pokharel
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