[HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?

Heather Leson heatherleson at gmail.com
Mon May 4 05:15:36 UTC 2015


Thank you.

Inquiry sent.

Heather
On May 4, 2015 8:02 AM, "Prabhas Pokharel" <prabhas.pokharel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Heather,
> 2. The dataset was the following
> https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod
> 1. Megha went through and manually matched up health facilities in the
> Kathmandu Valley, because KLL has formerly surveyed and created a rigorous
> dataset in the valley. A majority of the conflicts in the valley were
> deleted. Since the second dataset doesn't have names, match up was done by
> location. Please follow up with Megha on the rest.
>
> If we get a compatible license, the other route we could go through
> (instead of re-instanting the changeset) is to do a more rigorous import,
> after checking that the health facility locations seem legitimate (not in
> forests, near residences, etc.) and not in conflict with existing
> facilities with HOT's help.
>
> cheers,
> Prabhas
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pierre is sleeping. I would normally ask him and activation. I will
>> ask a contact via UN OCHA (offlist) and report back to activation
>>
>> What I need is:
>> 1. Confirmation that the changeset link includes the full dataset (the
>> link below )
>> 2. Exact source link for the dataset.
>>
>> I will ask for a license update.
>>
>> Does this sound ok?
>>
>> Heather
>>
>> The file is
>> On May 4, 2015 7:48 AM, "Prabhas Pokharel" <prabhas.pokharel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > A very sad one, but nothing to do
>>> > about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM
>>> > without that non-commercial restriction.
>>>
>>> HOT, we must have contacts at UN OCHA, can we start a conversation to
>>> ask if they are willing to do it? At the moment, we don't have the
>>> bandwidth here at KLL these days to have this conversation. But as I see
>>> it, adding POIs and named places onto the map is pretty important to focus
>>> on, in parallel with all of the imagery-based work that we are doing.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Prabhas
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Rafael Avila Coya <ravilacoya at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
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>>>> Hi, Prabhas:
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if this data can be incorporated to a local or alternative
>>>> database that can be of use in this situation.
>>>>
>>>> About the field papers, I don't see any problem to use this data as a
>>>> guide of finding those health facilities and correctly geolocate them
>>>> while surveying on the ground.
>>>>
>>>> Using the GNS and other place nodes already in the database, it might
>>>> be possible to add some of this nodes to OSM. It might. But in any
>>>> case, the license is a restriction. A very sad one, but nothing to do
>>>> about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM
>>>> without that non-commercial restriction.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Rafael.
>>>>
>>>> On 04/05/15 00:26, Prabhas Pokharel wrote:
>>>> > Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset
>>>> > geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was
>>>> > incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license
>>>> > here in Nepal.
>>>> >
>>>> > As megha said, the reason we attempted this was because the maps
>>>> > that HOTOSM volunteers have helped create via tracing for us is
>>>> > amazingly detailed (in terms of residential areas, roads, pre-quake
>>>> > buildings), but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on the
>>>> > ground. This was an attempt to alleviate the problem, but sounds
>>>> > like we did misinterpret the license issue, and apologies for
>>>> > that.
>>>> >
>>>> > We simply did not know about the problematic geolocations. However,
>>>> > it is worth noting that this dataset is what a lot of organizations
>>>> > have been using locally, given that it is the best available
>>>> > dataset of health facility locations.
>>>> >
>>>> > Maybe the discussion we need to have soon is how we can improve
>>>> > OSM-based tools (MapOSMatic, Fieldpapers, etc) to incorporate
>>>> > datasets like this that are very useful in scenarios like what we
>>>> > are going through, but are incompatible to put into OSM because of
>>>> > the license.
>>>> >
>>>> > cheers, Prabhas
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Rafael Avila Coya
>>>> > <ravilacoya at gmail.com <mailto:ravilacoya at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi all:
>>>> >
>>>> > Megha (MeghaShrestha), the user that imported these data, has
>>>> > answered me through the OSM messaging. She works with the KLL and
>>>> > she tells me: "we are trying to create papers for the relief
>>>> > workers. The problem being there are enough details like roads,
>>>> > buildings, rivers but no POIs in many areas. It is difficult for
>>>> > the relief workers to locate themselves on the map. Importing the
>>>> > health facilities data was an attempt so that they can at least
>>>> > find some POIs they can look for while locating themselves on the
>>>> > map. The data I imported was from
>>>> > https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod.
>>>> > The licence says we can use the data for non commercial purpose and
>>>> > we need to credit the source. I hope these information are helpful
>>>> > and you can help us out."
>>>> >
>>>> > With this info, I can see that the data is the one we were
>>>> > discussing a few days ago, although that data set contained almost
>>>> > 9,000 nodes, whereas the one of Megha had around 4,660.
>>>> >
>>>> > I recall the main problem: geolocation was very poor (most of nodes
>>>> > in well out of any settlements). The other problem I see is the
>>>> > license: it's for non-commercial use, and that makes it
>>>> > incompatible with the OSM license.
>>>> >
>>>> > I really feel to give a no in such circumstances as these, and
>>>> > that's why I ask for more input from other people with experience
>>>> > on this, just in case there is any possibility of including the
>>>> > data into OSM, and if not what other options we would have to make
>>>> > good use of these data set, if any.
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> >
>>>> > Rafael.
>>>> >
>>>> > On 03/05/15 18:14, Kretzer wrote:
>>>> >> When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes
>>>> >> tagged as "Hospital" with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA
>>>> >> as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is
>>>> >> nothing nearby. Like here:
>>>> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 Looks
>>>> >> like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because
>>>> >> hospitals are important!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a
>>>> >> "task" now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole
>>>> >> project?
>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>> > -- Prabhas Pokharel http://prabhasp.com
>>>> > twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp
>>>>
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>>>
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>>> Prabhas Pokharel
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>>> twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp
>>>
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>
> --
> Prabhas Pokharel
> http://prabhasp.com
> twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp
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