[HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions

Robert Banick rbanick at gmail.com
Thu May 7 21:11:58 UTC 2015


Hi All,




Excellent points and criticisms all around. The amount of feedback from new contributors during this response has been extremely welcome but also a bit humbling at times. We’ve got so much to do.




A few quick responses to key points.




1. OSM is 10 years old but for much of that time was a “by nerds, for nerds” project. Only in the past few years have the tools for conventional GIS usage really come into their own.




2. HOT itself has been around for a long time, but only took off 5 years ago after the earthquake in Haiti. Since then it’s been a slow but steady journey towards professionalism. We’ve spent a lot of our energy working with local communities and building up critical technical infrastructure like the Tasking Manager — which trust me, did not appear out of nowhere. Clearly it’s time to invest in training materials.




3. HOT’s contributions are used and makes a difference. I used to work for the Red Cross and we used OSM data from HOT *all the time*. In many cases it was the *only* data for disaster affected areas. Simply put, it was irreplaceable. And if sometimes it was not 100% accurate, that was OK. 90% accurate is better than 0% available.




4. You all bring up such good points and criticisms. Right now a lot of people are working themselves to death just responding, so please don’t take it personally if you don’t get immediate responses to your suggestions. Please stick around until we have time to follow up and work with you to make things better. It may take a month but it will be so valuable.




Cheers,

Robert





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On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> OSM and HOT are volunteer organizations. And we are force to adapt rapidly to the reality of responses like for Nepal. People with experience to develop such material either through a wiki page, github or other are welcomed.
> With the extent of this response, we organized various support groups to take care of Imagery, Validation, Imports, Routing, etc. We also have a HOT training group. People interested to contribute can write 
> to activation @ hotosm.org. We will follow your contact to the training group.
> regard  
> Pierre 
>       De : Steve Bower <sbower at gmavt.net>
>  À : Suzan Reed <suzan at suzanreed.com> 
> Cc : HOT <hot at openstreetmap.org> 
>  Envoyé le : Jeudi 7 mai 2015 11h06
>  Objet : Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions
>    
> A few thoughts on the training materials, from a 2-week OSM user and long-time GIS user:
> I have not yet found the single, systematically organized "portal" for access to all training materials & events, This would be great to have, and other training references could point back to it. The closest I have found is the HOT Training working group, "current sources and materials":http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Working_groups/Training#Current_Sources_.26_Materials
> But, for example, that page does not point to "How to get started contributing to a HOT task":https://gist.github.com/meetar/b9929dfec129d1d7f5f2
> So yes, Suzan, I think organization and production of comprehensive training material is a great idea - thank you. I think getting the top-down organization right is key. It seems this would be guided by the HOT Training working group (is there a general OSM training working group?).
> Existing training materials on how to use OSM and the editors is fairly comprehensive, but somewhat scattered. Multiple sources overlap in the material they cover. An OSM/HOT training portal would help identify gaps and guide where new material (including new videos) is needed.
> Training on how to interpret features from imagery is minimal. This could really be expanded, with examples of special cases, especially for poor-quality imagery where interpretation is difficult. Interpretation issues seem to dominate a lot of quality concerns and newbie questions. 
> I don't think it's reasonable to expect new mappers to be able to take "quick start" training and jump into contributing, at least for those who have not mapped before. For HOT response in particular, I think the expectation should be that mappers should expect to invest at least a day of on-line training before starting to contribute. Yes, that would turn away some mappers, but with the benefit of fewer quality issues. Yes, you can learn to trace buildings in far less time, but many mappers soon confront more complex tasks and a better training foundation would serve them well. (My opinion on this may evolve...)
> Cheers,Steve
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 5:24 AM, Suzan Reed <suzan at suzanreed.com> wrote:
> Althio and all.
> I don't understand the shared document format, and don't find it an easy place to express these views, nor do I understand where I could add to it in a constructive way.  That's why I expressed my thoughts here, so that someone who understands the shared document format could incorporate these thoughts if they are useful.
> I'm sure I"m not the only newbie who has the same exact feelings and thoughts. We all want to do a good job, we all want concise, well done training that gets us going quickly, we all want to contribute to a healthy, successful project that helps people. I hope leadership can find people and resources to make good training available.
> So far, like Spring, I'm a bit confused. Are my hours of work going to do any good for the people who live in the hundreds of houses I've mapped? I hope so. Fingers crossed.
> All that said, as a designer and writer expert in technical documenting, I would be happy to help with the production of a comprehensive set of training tools. Small group, hopefully? I'm also adept at working in a global environment, cross culturally. Use me if you wish.
> Suzan
> On May 7, 2015, at 12:44 AM, althio wrote:
> Suzan,
> As you are interested to help with these 1-min video: please join the
> shared document, read it and update it.
>> There's a shared doc here, where we're collecting ideas for the
>> individual modules. Please feel free to add your thoughts and, even
>> better, to encourage newbies to identify where there are most needs
>> for training materials...
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Mo82sCLLnP30SsgRO1VIpGxezWcQhAQ_HxEpCEPh89o/edit?usp=sharing
> Your other comments (about current training) are certainly valid but
> this is not the best thread for that.
> Cheers,
> - althio
> On 7 May 2015 at 09:30, Suzan Reed <suzan at suzanreed.com> wrote:
>> Training
>> My major problem with the current training, it's long, boring, and slow. A Quick Start Guide would be perfect for someone like me. A video with this information would be great. I could not go through the training because it went too slow, so I missed some information, but found the process for someone like me who works in Photoshop pretty easy and intuitive, but I'm not a usual newbie.
>>
>> An orientation video for the area being mapped.
>> I don't think many mappers know what buildings in remote areas of Nepal look like, or that villages are spread out over a big area, or that paths just end and do not connect in rural Nepal. A video with still and moving images I believe would be a big help. People could then see buildings are not square, built out of piles of rocks, and are often two stories tall with animals below and people above. Roofs are tin, or packed earth. If mappers could see this I think they would do a better job mapping. The video could also go over other details of the project. I'd be willing to help with this.
>>
>> Mentors
>> I have connected with someone who is my mentor and checks my work. Think it would be great if every newbie could have a mentor, or a group of mentors to submit work to.
>>
>> Correcting other's work
>> We all want to do a good job, but I don't think the training gives the most important information up front, i.e. make buildings the right size and square.
>>
>> I've just deleted and redrawn about 100 buildings that were not square nor did they fit on the image footprint. The mappers probably thought a rough polygon would let people know a building existed in that spot, but that's not what's needed. Same with paths that didn't conform to the image. How to do it right would be so helpful if included in the training up front. I don't think most people have the patience to go through slow training, or my DVD wouldn't have come with a Quick Start Guide!
>>
>> I'm a Newbie, and I recommend newbies be limited to drawing buildings and adding roads and paths. Experts should draw Residential Areas in rural areas and note forests and other features. I've corrected hundreds of buildings and paths. It's a waste of time and energy for the original mapper and the person correcting. We all want to do a good job or we wouldn't be spending hours mapping.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Suzan
>>
>>
>> On May 6, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Laura Camellini wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> as I suggested some days ago, I'd like to add these video training (while done) to a moodle course, And maybe be able to synch the moodle course training with the task manager permission to edit maps.
>> Do you think this could help you with your tasks?
>>
>> Regards,
>> LauraC
>>
>> 2015-05-07 3:16 GMT+02:00 Mhairi O'Hara <mhairi.ohara at hotosm.org>:
>> Dear Hotties,
>>
>> Please see the e-mail from Pete Masters from the Missing Maps project:
>>
>> We are thinking about putting together some video training resources
>> for HOT mapping for newbies. No concrete plans yet, just getting some
>> thoughts together.
>>
>> There's a shared doc here, where we're collecting ideas for the
>> individual modules. Please feel free to add your thoughts and, even
>> better, to encourage newbies to identify where there are most needs
>> for training materials...
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Mo82sCLLnP30SsgRO1VIpGxezWcQhAQ_HxEpCEPh89o/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> --
>> Pete Masters
>> Missing Maps Project Coordinator
>> +44 7921 781 518
>>
>> missingmaps.org
>>
>> @pedrito1414
>> @theMissingMaps
>> facebook.com/MissingMapsProject
>>
>> --
>> Mhairi O'Hara
>> Technical Project Manager
>> Email: mhairi.ohara at hotosm.org
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>>
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