[HOT] Worried about task 1018

john whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Sat May 9 13:11:51 UTC 2015

I think I'm moderately experienced in mapping.  In West Africa I'm very
comfortable validating, in Nepal I'm happy I know what a building looks
like but paths, streams etc I'm not so comfortable with, there is a lot of
distracting detail on the images.  Do I validate and clean up the building
and tag side?  Or just add a few more buildings?


Thanks John

On 9 May 2015 at 08:27, Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> We have to adapt to an awesome contribution with this Nepal emergency. We
> need more people. At the same time, we need to adapt in various ways to
> crowdsourcing as we see various problems arizing.
> I also opened a ticket. This would be for the validators to prioritize
> validating first for the less experienced. A checkbox could let show only
> tiles selected by less experienced contributors.
> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599
> regard
> Pierre
>   ------------------------------
>  *De :* Severin Menard <severin.menard at gmail.com>
> *À :* Extra Paul <paulokoko at hotmail.com>
> *Cc :* "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> *Envoyé le :* Samedi 9 mai 2015 7h49
> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018
> Hi all,
> I understand your worry Paul, and have the same experience of unvalidating
> tasks. I put clear comments for the people to know why. There is no offense
> I hope, everyone has been a beginner once and learning and improving is
> part of the motivation with OSM, IMHO.
> I just suggested this change in the asking Manager that should prevent in
> the future the fact that tiles are validated by beginners:
> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/598, titled:
> Validate button only for mappers who clicked previously on Edit with JOSM.
> I also hope iD will have in the future not only a building mapping tool,
> but also (as mappers may not use the building tool) an automatic
> proposition to square or round the shape that has just been traced as soon
> as a building tag is chosen (GitHub issue:
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624).
> The tools and the documentation apart, we also need to organize and
> exchange between us the people: who is interested in validation checking
> meaning also providing feedback or monitoring beginners? Basically you need
> to be a proficient user of JOSM and having a lot of edits (not less than
> with 4-5 zeros, I would say)
> It takes a bit of time but it is valuable and a nice way to interact. My
> hello to Suzan Reed who asked me  directly for monitoring her tasks.
> We have a list
> <http://tools.neis-one.org/tmp/20150425-20150505_Nepal_NewContributorsOSM.txt>
> (thanks to Pascal Neis!) of the beginners from the start of the Activation,
> some are drive-bys (typically only 1 day of mapping, a few edits) and
> others more to super committed mappers. I have started a spreadsheet for
> those who would like to monitor these committed mappers.
> Sincerely,
> Severin
> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Extra Paul <paulokoko at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear openstreetmappers :)
> I'm quite worried about the quality of maps for task 1018.
> Many of mappers, obviously, did not check the instructions or even the
> tutorials. People want to help, and that's awesome, but maybe validation
> should be done my more experienced and meticulous mappers.
> I've seen mappers validating more that 10 areas in less than an hour, and
> those areas still contain many errors : clusters of buildings mapped as
> one, landuse=residential area used for clusters of nothing more than 1 or 2
> buildings, many streams seen as footpath, many paths in the middle of
> nowhere...
> Maybe instructions should contain some images to show clearly what is
> expected, and explain that the purpose of this map is to count each
> individual buildings and have roads and paths connected to them so
> buildings can be reached by humanitarian teams.
> Currently, most of my time on 1018 is to check validated areas because
> half of those areas are not correctly mapped.
> Paul
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