[HOT] Worried about task 1018

Nick Allen nick.allen.54 at gmail.com
Mon May 11 14:04:25 UTC 2015


Go ahead and upload.  Each rectangular buildings is 4 corners (nodes) and a
connecting way.

Removing one building is at least 5 elements.

Worse case scenario is you upload and realise that you've made it worse and
have to ask for a revert by someone.  I think that the need for a revert is
very unlikely.

Hope this is in time.


dodgy didgits as using a phone with a spell chequer.

Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team Member
On 11 May 2015 12:53, "Barbara Figge" <bfigge at web.de> wrote:

> Hello everyone!
> As promided I continued mapping buildings today. I just right now wanted
> to save the changes (nearly 200 buildings, now I know why one should do it
> earlier...) and get a message" You are just to delete 466 elements, are you
> sure?" Surely I not want to delete these ones but also I want to save my
> 200 buildings... Sonmeone here who knows what I did or what I can do now?
> It's again task 1018, #2777.
> Thank your very much and greetings!
> Barbara
> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 18:22 Uhr
> *Von:* "Barbara Figge" <bfigge at web.de>
> *An:* "john whelan" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> *Betreff:* Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018
>   Thanks for the words and information, so I will continue mapping
> buildings!
> Greetings,
> Barbara
> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 18:08 Uhr
> *Von:* "john whelan" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> *An:* "Barbara Figge" <bfigge at web.de>
> *Cc:* "Pierre Béland" <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>, "hot at openstreetmap.org" <
> hot at openstreetmap.org>
> *Betreff:* Re: Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018
>  Pierre says it best but my thoughts follow.
> To me the unsquared buildings are not a major issue in Nepal.  Within a
> tile a JOSM user can select buildings, then select an unsquared one
> remember the user select buildings once more then square all the buildings
> for that user in one keystroke.
> As a beginner I suggest you don't correct odd areas, let someone else do
> the dirty deed, it saves having upset users and sometimes its just a matter
> of someone forgetting to tag it and often an experienced mapper can glance
> at it and give it a tag.
> Paths and tracks unless its very clear I stay away from these in Nepal and
> I'm fairly experienced.  There are a number of terraces, the land can be
> quite steep so even though two ends of a path may look close together
> reality is its a long drop between the two.
> For the moment I'd just add buildings, if you can manage to use JOSM and
> the building_tool plugin, you'll need the remote control plugin as well
> you'll find it's very easy to use and produces squared buildings correctly
> tagged and we have a lot of buildings to add.
> Cheerio John
> On 9 May 2015 at 11:12, Barbara Figge <bfigge at web.de> wrote:
>>   Hi to everyone,
>> I am one of the beginners of the last weeks, since last friday I mapped -
>> mostly buildings (and mostly unsquared, I am one of them, too), tried some
>> paths. I try to read the mailing list notes in between, I started with the
>> mapgive things before first mapping, I read the instructions before
>> starting, I did not validate and though these mistakes happened. But I am
>> learning a lot.
>> Currently I am a little irritated about all the mistakes one can make and
>> so I made up my mind not to stop mapping, but to stay on the safe side of
>> the street: mapping buildings, and after I noticed the importance of
>> buildings being squared, squaring my and the buildings of others.
>> Now there are some questions left: in the tile I worked in there are some
>> areas without description (and no bulding or something else to see)- shall
>> I delete them or do they have a special reason I overread in the mailing
>> list conversation?
>> There are a lot of mapped buildings, where the symbol is some meters away
>> from the building. Shall I correct or is it okay?
>> And: is there a possibility to go back to a tile I worked on by searching
>> the number or must I search inside the map?
>> Best wishes and: as far as I can see from my small desk, a lot of people
>> are doing great work!
>> Barbara
>> barbaraulrike in osm
>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 15:11 Uhr
>> *Von:* "john whelan" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>> *An:* "Pierre Béland" <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>
>> *Cc:* "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>> *Betreff:* Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018
>>   I think I'm moderately experienced in mapping.  In West Africa I'm
>> very comfortable validating, in Nepal I'm happy I know what a building
>> looks like but paths, streams etc I'm not so comfortable with, there is a
>> lot of distracting detail on the images.  Do I validate and clean up the
>> building and tag side?  Or just add a few more buildings?
>> Thoughts?
>> Thanks John
>> On 9 May 2015 at 08:27, Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>  We have to adapt to an awesome contribution with this Nepal emergency.
>>> We need more people. At the same time, we need to adapt in various ways to
>>> crowdsourcing as we see various problems arizing.
>>> I also opened a ticket. This would be for the validators to prioritize
>>> validating first for the less experienced. A checkbox could let show only
>>> tiles selected by less experienced contributors.
>>> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599
>>>  regard
>>> Pierre
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *De :* Severin Menard <severin.menard at gmail.com>
>>> *À :* Extra Paul <paulokoko at hotmail.com>
>>> *Cc :* "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>>> *Envoyé le :* Samedi 9 mai 2015 7h49
>>> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018
>>>   Hi all,
>>> I understand your worry Paul, and have the same experience of
>>> unvalidating tasks. I put clear comments for the people to know why. There
>>> is no offense I hope, everyone has been a beginner once and learning and
>>> improving is part of the motivation with OSM, IMHO.
>>> I just suggested this change in the asking Manager that should prevent
>>> in the future the fact that tiles are validated by beginners:
>>> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/598, titled:
>>> Validate button only for mappers who clicked previously on Edit with JOSM.
>>> I also hope iD will have in the future not only a building mapping tool,
>>> but also (as mappers may not use the building tool) an automatic
>>> proposition to square or round the shape that has just been traced as soon
>>> as a building tag is chosen (GitHub issue:
>>> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624).
>>> The tools and the documentation apart, we also need to organize and
>>> exchange between us the people: who is interested in validation checking
>>> meaning also providing feedback or monitoring beginners? Basically you need
>>> to be a proficient user of JOSM and having a lot of edits (not less than
>>> with 4-5 zeros, I would say)
>>> It takes a bit of time but it is valuable and a nice way to interact. My
>>> hello to Suzan Reed who asked me  directly for monitoring her tasks.
>>> We have a list
>>> <http://tools.neis-one.org/tmp/20150425-20150505_Nepal_NewContributorsOSM.txt>
>>> (thanks to Pascal Neis!) of the beginners from the start of the Activation,
>>> some are drive-bys (typically only 1 day of mapping, a few edits) and
>>> others more to super committed mappers. I have started a spreadsheet for
>>> those who would like to monitor these committed mappers.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Severin
>>> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Extra Paul <paulokoko at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>  Dear openstreetmappers :)
>>> I'm quite worried about the quality of maps for task 1018.
>>> Many of mappers, obviously, did not check the instructions or even the
>>> tutorials. People want to help, and that's awesome, but maybe
>>> validation should be done my more experienced and meticulous mappers.
>>> I've seen mappers validating more that 10 areas in less than an hour,
>>> and those areas still contain many errors : clusters of buildings mapped as
>>> one, landuse=residential area used for clusters of nothing more than 1 or 2
>>> buildings, many streams seen as footpath, many paths in the middle of
>>> nowhere...
>>> Maybe instructions should contain some images to show clearly what is
>>> expected, and explain that the purpose of this map is to count each
>>> individual buildings and have roads and paths connected to them so
>>> buildings can be reached by humanitarian teams.
>>> Currently, most of my time on 1018 is to check validated areas because
>>> half of those areas are not correctly mapped.
>>> Paul
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