[HOT] Request for information about common set of tags for HOT (Was: OSM Nepal Reponse - Links to various infos)

Stefan Keller sfkeller at gmail.com
Tue May 19 22:55:28 UTC 2015


Hi Will

Thanks again for your engagement. This explains why even HOT Preset
[1] seemed to me outdated.

2015-05-20 0:18 GMT+02:00 Will Skora <skorasaurus at gmail.com>:
> Regarding Point #1, your identification of the popular tags used in HOT
> activations that aren't well documented but have been used often would be
> appreciated.

Even that I'm an experienced OSM member I can't give you this list
since I only looked at Nepal taginfo instance (see my other thread).
But what I can do is to compile a list from looking at pages like [3] [4].
And I can just observe that [3] contains an abundance of tags not used
in Nepal and other activations;
and that [4] is very informative - but no single tag is specified or
documented in the wiki.

What I would propose is
1. to declare this wiki page [2] the main HOT tags page;
2. to discuss within HOT team members the list I compiled below (which
is mainly based on [4])
3. and to update and merge sources [3] [4] in to main HOT tags page
[2] (which should then marked as outdated or be deleted).

Cheers, Stefan

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/HDM_preset
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags
[3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Background
[4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disaster-specific_tags


Disaster-Specific tags (mainly from [4])
----------------------------------------------------------

Generic/mandatory main tag:
* damage:event=*

Generic/important auxiliary tag:
* operator:type=private • government • community

Physical:
* Collapsed building
* Unstable Ground/Land slide
* Flooded Ground
* Damaged Bridge

Human:
* Red Cross/Red Crescent First Aid Station
* Temporary hospital
* Meeting point
* Refugee camp
* Shelter
* Temporary desalination station
* Stand pipe
* Food distribution point
* Fuel distribution point
* News wall/Lost and found information
* Morgue
* Common grave

Emergency Services
* Food depot
* Fuel depot
* Temporary airfield
* Helicopter landing zone
* Heavy lifting equipment depot
* Supplies warehouse
* Temporal political
* Search-and-Rescue sectors, Military controlled zones
* Closed border
* Exclusion zones, Uprising zones, Riot-prone zones



2015-05-20 0:18 GMT+02:00 Will Skora <skorasaurus at gmail.com>:
> I'll admit that a small proportion for my decline in participation a among
> other factors, since there was minimal interest from others in the HOT
> community.
>
> I tentatively plan on being at the meeting
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Stefan Keller <sfkeller at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'd like to help and my proposal is
>> 1. to collect and identify most common tags specific to HOT
>> 2. to mention and document them in Wiki page "Humanitarian_OSM_Tags" [1]
>
>
> Regarding Point #1, your identification of the popular tags used in HOT
> activations that aren't well documented but have been used often would be
> appreciated.
>
> I think there's been the tendency where attention and participation moves to
> another crisis after some time even if its not intentional. As a result, any
> new tags or tagging schemas aren't incorporated into a larger scheme like
> the HOT/HDM preset.
>
> The HOT/HDM preset page - https://github.com/hotosm/presets - hasn't been
> maintained much in the past couple and I sometimes wonder if its still used
> by many people. Heck, a couple of my pull requests (which aren't
> controversial) have sat without any response in two years.
> The lack of response and lack of visible use is a small reason that I
> haven't contributed as much as I had in the past (the largest reason, a full
> time paid job in an unrelated field).
>
> As Springfield mentions, there's a few tags in there that don't make sense,
> but the intention was not only just for a crises but for lower income
> communities in areas that hadn't been represented in OpenStreetMap and
> communities that have experienced crises in the past), and to grow
> OpenStreetMap communities who use tags that don't have an obvious connection
> to crises.
>
> Lastly, Suzan, I did see your request and offer of annotating pictures for a
> tagging guide in a particular area like Nepal! I hope that it is mentioned
> at tomorrow's meeting!
>
> Regards,
> Will
>
>>
>> So, to begin collecting the candidates, I only foumd these two:
>> * damage:event=*
>> * operator:type=private • government • community
>>
>> The "idp:camp_site=spontaneous_camp" is already sub-specific to a
>> disaster event.
>>
>> Any others tag or key candidates?
>>
>> Yours, S.
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags
>>
>> 2015-05-15 22:13 GMT+02:00 Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>:
>> >
>> > Hi Stefan,
>> >
>> > HOT (and OSM) tagging has grown and evolved since we first started 5 or
>> > 6
>> > years ago that is for sure. And given the somewhat intermittent
>> > participatory nature of OSM and the wiki things can for sure get out of
>> > sync.
>> >
>> > We would welcome any assistance with updating, streamlining and
>> > regularizing
>> > HOT's tagging and tagging guidance and underlying data model if need be.
>> > It
>> > is a big project for the folks in and out of HOT who developed and
>> > maintain
>> > it.
>> >
>> > It was through gentle ;) feedback from the OSM community that we have
>> > started use some more planned tagging schemes you mentioned so there is
>> > yet
>> > time for some of that to catch up.
>> >
>> > I am excited for us to roll up our sleeves and give the tagging,
>> > guidance,
>> > data model and rendering a timely review and updating. At the moment
>> > many in
>> > HOT are concentrating on working with our fellow travelers in Nepal (and
>> > DRC
>> > and Vanuatu and Guam and South Sudan and Nigeria and several other
>> > places
>> > unfortunately), but when that begins to thankfully be less of an urgent
>> > matter several of us look forward to joining you fully in the process.
>> >
>> > And like I said, any reorganization or updating and streaming in the
>> > wiki
>> > you could help us with in the mean time will be very welcome and
>> > appreciated. If you have any questions please just ask them here on the
>> > mailing list but under a different email thread so it is less confusing
>> > talking about something that has nothing to do with this thread.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Blake
>> >
>> >
>> > On 5/15/2015 8:43 PM, Stefan Keller wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Salut Pierre, hi Will, dear leading HOT members, hello all
>> >>
>> >> 2015-05-15 18:44 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr
>> >> <mailto:pierzenh at yahoo.fr>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Such a response has brought various discussions on the HOT list on how
>> >>> to
>> >>> both respond quickly and assure data quality.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I really appreciate your work and the work of all contributors. So
>> >> excuse me if I'm little bit too harsh now.
>> >>
>> >> I'm trying to to collect the minimal common set of HOT tags for
>> >> specifying a renderer, for future use and for OSM quality in general.
>> >>
>> >> Will already answered finally in an earlier post (thanks!) - but I'm
>> >> sorry to say: What we (OSM) now have in HOT pages is a tag mess since
>> >> years!
>> >>
>> >> Please correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps there a process on tagging
>> >> mailing list I'm missing? Here's what I found:
>> >>
>> >> To me the potential main HOT tag page is "Humanitarian_OSM_Tags" [1].
>> >> This page is very "orphaned" - it has been edited twice since 2013(!?).
>> >> It prominently points to "Humanitarian_Data_Background" as "An
>> >> up-to-date list of tags for HOT" - being a page which has been updated
>> >> 3.5 years ago (!?).
>> >>
>> >> Then I see that no single wiki page with Nepal in its title - including
>> >> "2015_Nepal_earthquake" [3]  - is pointing to Humanitarian_OSM_Tags,
>> >> whereas the Nepal_remote_mapping_guide [4] mainly lists the usual main
>> >> tags (like building=yes, natural=wood|water, water=*, waterway=river,
>> >> waterway=stream, landuse=farmland).
>> >>
>> >> I would expect at least to see tags like damage:event and idp:camp_site
>> >> - being top 20 in [6] - to show up in any wiki page related to tags
>> >> mentioned above.
>> >> But these aren't even mentioned in the wiki except somehow in [4] - but
>> >> which was declared outdated 2013.
>> >>
>> >> How can we clean up this under-documented mess and "tag soup" at least
>> >> for a small common set of tags?
>> >>
>> >> Yours, S.
>> >>
>> >> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags
>> >> [2]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Background
>> >> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake
>> >> [4]
>> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide#Tagging
>> >> [5]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Model
>> >> [6] http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/keys
>> >>



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