[HOT] [HOT Tagging] Tag for community based healthcare? / Quel tag pour les sites de soins communautaires ?

Rafael Avila Coya ravilacoya at gmail.com
Tue Sep 22 22:56:26 UTC 2015


Hi, Claire:

On 22/09/15 09:11, Claire Halleux wrote:
> Hi Blake, Rafael and Imre,
> 
> Thank you very much for all the good points.
> 
> I was actually thinking of some set of tags like the following:
> health_facility:type=office
> health_person:type=community (or community_relay or communitary, to be
> added to the list)

health_person:type=paramedic looks to be quite what you look for:
"places where you can find some people from the community who got a
basic training about malaria testing, + sometimes pulmonary infections
and children diarrheal diseases diagnostics", as a paramedic is "a
health care related person, who got at least enough training to do his
work, which is to help in the case of emergencies."

What I mean is that, apart from not being in the health_person:type list
yet, it's not all the community who provide this first aid, but only
some trained people in the community.

> health_service:test=yes
> disease:malaria=yes (that's the most common one)
> temporary=yes (as some are specifically set up for the seasonal malaria
> peak)

temporary=yes [1][2] is being used only for temporary facilities (like
disaster refugee camps, roads in construction, etc.). But in the case of
this community health offices, what you mean is not a temporary object,
but a "permanent" one that is open only in a season of the year, so that
should go in opening_hours

As Sud-Kivu rainy season (malaria peak) goes from November to March (if
I am not mistaken), the tag could be something like:

opening_hours=Jan-Mar, Nov-Dec: sunrise-sunset

If they close on Sunday for example, you can make it:

opening_hours=Jan-Mar, Nov-Dec: Mo-Sa sunrise-sunset

I know that talking about opening hours in a small village in deep RDC
is almost a joke, anyway. But I think temporary=* is a wrong tag here.

I agree with the rest of tags you propose that I didn't comment.

Cheers, and have a nice week,

Rafael.

[1]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/temporary
[2]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Background

> 
> I don't feel comfortable with tagging the building as hospital or adding
> amenity=doctors while this is what is used for proper health centers
> (even if I'd like it better to see those services also rendered).In the
> case described here, there are no doctors, not even nurses in those
> places and yet this is normal (it's not the case of a health center
> which should have doctors despite not having any).
> 
> Best,
> 
> Claire
> 
> Claire Halleux
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> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Rafael Avila Coya <ravilacoya at gmail.com
> <mailto:ravilacoya at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi, Imre:
> 
>     Yeah, after sending the email I remembered that.
> 
>     staff_count:nurses=* might be ok. Alternatively, we could use
>     staff_count:paramedics=* or staff_count:therapists=*
> 
>     Another thing that I remembered and didn't say in my email:
> 
>     I would tag with a node over the facility. Facility building/s should be
>     tagged as building=hospital (I always thing that a building=health tag
>     or similar would be better...).
> 
>     Cheers,
> 
>     Rafael.
> 
>     On 21/09/15 15:40, Imre Samu wrote:
>     > Hi Rafael,
>     >
>     > I will  also add 2 more keys * * ( according to your documentation [2]
>     > and data [1] )
>     > -  *staff_count:doctors=0     *( with the key: amenity=doctors ...
>     this
>     > is a good indicator )
>     > *-  staff_count:nurses=1  *    ( 0...n  ;  number of health
>     trained people )
>     >
>     > [1] overpass query:  http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/bzt  (
>     > medical_system:western=* )
>     >      example node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3458635952
>     > [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_Nigeria_eHealth_Borno_Health_Facilities#Tagging_Plans
>     >
>     > Cheers,
>     >   Imre
>     >
>     >
>     > 2015-09-21 14:13 GMT+02:00 Rafael Avila Coya <ravilacoya at gmail.com <mailto:ravilacoya at gmail.com>
>     > <mailto:ravilacoya at gmail.com <mailto:ravilacoya at gmail.com>>>:
>     >
>     >     Hi, Claire:
>     >
>     >     I had to deal with this already for a eHealth-collected health
>     >     facilities import in Borno State, Nigeria [1]. I used the
>     HealthCare2.0
>     >     tagging schema (as Blake is also suggesting too), adding some
>     >     traditional tags for rendering purposes.
>     >
>     >     For this kind of facilities, I would suggest the following:
>     >
>     >     For all facilities:
>     >
>     >     1. medical_system:western=yes
>     >
>     >     2. health_facility:type=office
>     >     3. office=paramedic OR office=therapist
>     >
>     >     4. health_specialty:paediatric_gastroenterology=partial/no
>     #For children
>     >     diarrheal diseases
>     >     5. health_specialty:tropical_medicine=partial/no #Malaria and
>     others
>     >     6. health_specialty:pulmonology=partial/no #For pulmonar diseases
>     >
>     >     7. amenity=doctors #This is for compatibility with traditional
>     health
>     >     care tagging
>     >
>     >     I would also add to all of them:
>     >
>     >     8. power_supply=yes/no/unknown #It might be interesting to know if
>     >     electricity is available.
>     >
>     >     Only in case health_specialty:tropical_medicine=partial, add:
>     >
>     >     9. disease:malaria=yes
>     >
>     >     You might add diarrhea diseases too, like
>     >     disease:amoebic_dysentery=yes/no , etc., always in case
>     >     health_specialty:paediatric_gastroenterology=partial
>     >
>     >     Other optional tags:
>     >
>     >     10. opening_hours=*
>     >     11. operator=*
>     >     12. operator:type=public/private/...
>     >
>     >     Cheers,
>     >
>     >     Rafael.
>     >
>     >     [1]
>     >   
>      https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_Nigeria_eHealth_Borno_Health_Facilities#Tagging_Plans
>     >
>     >     On 21/09/15 12:45, Blake Girardot wrote:
>     >     > Hi Claire,
>     >     >
>     >     > It is a bit long and kind of complicated, but do you think a
>     >     combination
>     >     > of the healthcare 2.0 proposal could address the facilities?
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Healthcare_2.0
>     >     >
>     >     > It does say part of its goal was to deal with community based
>     >     services.
>     >     >
>     >     > Maybe we need to add some possible values to the existing
>     proposal.
>     >     >
>     >     > Lets get this sorted out.
>     >     >
>     >     > Cheers,
>     >     > Blake
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     > On 9/21/2015 9:52 AM, Claire Halleux wrote:
>     >     >> (English below)
>     >     >>
>     >     >> Bonjour à tous,
>     >     >> Au Sud-Kivu, on rencontre régulièrement des "sites de soins
>     >     >> communautaires", c'est à dire des lieux où l'on peut
>     s'adresser à des
>     >     >> relais communautaires (membres de la communauté) ayant reçu une
>     >     >> formation spécifique au diagnostic du palu en général mais
>     >     parfois aussi
>     >     >> pour les infections respiratoires et les diarrhées des
>     enfants. Ils
>     >     >> disposent généralement de médicaments, fournis par des
>     organisations
>     >     >> médicales. .
>     >     >> Ce service est très utile en particulier dans les zones
>     rurales ne
>     >     >> disposant pas de centre de santé. Cependant, les relais
>     >     communautaires
>     >     >> n'étant pas des docteurs, je me retrouve actuellement face à la
>     >     >> difficulté de trouver les tags appropriés. Des idées ou
>     tags à me
>     >     >> suggérer? Merci d'avance.
>     >     >>
>     >     >> Hi everyone,
>     >     >> In South Kivu, we regularly meet "community-based
>     healthcare sites",
>     >     >> i.e. places where you can find some people from the
>     community who
>     >     got a
>     >     >> basic training about malaria testing, + sometimes pulmonary
>     >     infections
>     >     >> and children diarrheal diseases diagnostics. They are usually
>     >     supplied
>     >     >> with medicines by medical organisations.
>     >     >> This service is quite useful as it helps treating patients
>     (specially
>     >     >> children) closer to the place they live, in particular in
>     rural areas
>     >     >> where you can't find any health center or doctor.
>     >     >> I'm currently facing the issue of tagging this kind of
>     place. Any tag
>     >     >> suggestion would be much appreciated.
>     >     >>
>     >     >> Best,
>     >     >>
>     >     >> Claire
>     >     >>
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