[HOT] Squared buildings

Thu Apr 14 11:42:02 UTC 2016

I think we are agreed that squaring individual buildings is a hassle for
the validators.

Do I hear that selecting all buildings with less than 7 nodes and
squaring/resquaring them all at once is acceptable although not ideal?

Thanks John

On 14 April 2016 at 04:15, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:

> It would be far better to add a tool comparable to buildings-tools plugin
> to iD. We should have proposed that for GSoC2016... well, maybe next year.
>
> Jo
>
> 2016-04-14 9:47 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed <suzan at suzanreed.com>:
>
>> JOSM is the tool to use, I agree. However I did become somewhat of an iD
>> power user and so I just tried to square a number of polygons at once
>> rather than one at a time. I tried many variations including selecting all
>> of them and then trying to apply the “s” tool and grouping them. Nothing
>> worked. Maybe the iD team could add that to iD? Then new mappers could then
>> square all their buildings in one go when the mistake is pointed out. It
>> would be quite useful. Squaring buildings in either iD or JOSM is a
>> thankless and tedious task.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Suzan
>>
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2016, at 11:01 PM, Ralf Stephan <gtrwst9 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I might be missing something but what's wrong with selecting all
>> buildings in JOSM via Search (check if there are huts selected or 45-degree
>> buildings of course) and then do a mass orthogonalization? That would be
>> part of a validation workflow and could even be automated.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 7:48 AM Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:
>> If you want a building squared at 45 degrees in JOSM, for some reason,
>> you can start with a closed way with 8 nodes, then use the circle tool.
>>
>> Or you can press 'a' twice, allowing you to add the next part of a way at
>> 15 degree angle intervals. It's possible to create really nice geometric
>> shapes using this method.
>>
>> One has to know the tool one is working with.
>>
>> When people insist on working with iD, it's necessary to tell them (over
>> and over again) about the importance of doing the extra step of squaring
>> the rectangular buildings. For one thing, it makes using JOSM's extrude
>> tool easier, if it's needed to improve the building.
>>
>> I understand that, as a validator, it's extremely tedious to square all
>> those buildings, even when using the todo plugin and pressing ]q]q]q]q]q]
>> hundreds of times. You could invalidate the tiles which contain mostly
>> unsquared buildings. Or you could just leave them alone, post a remark to
>> the user and validate the tile anyway. Better that than becoming burned out
>> as a validator.
>>
>> I've been trying to get people to understand how much work it is to
>> validate their tiles, when buildings are not squared by creating
>> screencasts and posting a link to it in the comment field. This was rather
>> effective, but it still is rather time consuming and there are always new
>> users coming in, which, for some reason, were not trained with JOSM the
>> power tool, but with iD instead.
>>
>> Anyway, those screencasts were also meant as a way to show people the
>> advantages of using JOSM, but I don't know if I have been very successful
>> at getting them to start using it. It's hard to make people switch to
>> something new, which is why I'll be teaching only JOSM, this Saturday (also
>> because I don't know iD all that well, ofc). I failed to follow up, as I
>> moved on to other projects that gave me more satisfaction (as a validator).
>>
>> Polyglot
>>
>> 2016-04-14 4:15 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed <suzan at suzanreed.com>:
>> How about showing people how to map a building and square it right at the
>> beginning of mapping? It’s all one motion for me.
>>
>> Just a suggestion!
>>
>> Suzan
>>
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Clifford Snow <clifford at snowandsnow.us>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:52 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Seeing 200 unsquared buildings by one mapper on a tile makes me think
>> they weren't using JOSM and the building-tool.  I could be wrong, the same
>> mapper also left behind three area=yes squares that just happened to be the
>> same as a building image.  Again it is perfectly possible to do this in
>> JOSM to draw such a shape and tag it area=yes, though why anyone with JOSM
>> and the building_tool plugin would do such a thing I can't imagine.
>>
>> I'm asking a pragmatic question given that I'm seeing so many unsquared
>> buildings when validating is it essential they be squared?  and if so how
>> do we get squared buildings?
>>
>> From my experience with hosting Missing Maps and HOT mapathons many of
>> the mappers are first time contributors. We try to get them mapping as
>> quickly as possible. After a period of time we introduce new techniques,
>> such as squaring buildings and copy paste. The behavior you observed may be
>> the lack of training. If its possible to find out if the mapper attended an
>> event and if so who organized it to give gentle constructive feedback to
>> the host. (Hopefully it wasn't one of ours)
>>
>> Clifford
>>
>>
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