[HOT] A Fiji project for experienced mappers interested in a new damage assessment methodology
Russell Deffner
russell.deffner at hotosm.org
Wed Mar 2 14:33:44 UTC 2016
Hi, interesting conversation - I do find a chuckle thinking 'we are really poor at coordinating how to use our coordination tool' :)
Just to clarify - this is NOT an 'official' HOT Activation, although 2 of the 3 trained leads are helping in some way, we have decided to not initiate the protocol - as we may have the whole country mapped before that becomes necessary.
I do think we need to further 'restrict' who gets the Project Manager role on the HOT instance of the OSM Tasking Manager; and we have a start with the Tasking course at the training center - as we've discussed in the AWG, I would like to see that become the 'minimum requirement' to create projects on our instance - just my two cents. However, until that happens I don't think it is good to edit someone else's projects without discussing with them first (maybe downgrade from Urgent if someone uses that 'unwisely' but I almost made the mistake of 'kicking' someone's project into draft because I didn't realize it was only available in French, so just 'general rule of thumb' - probably not wise to adjust other people stuff w/o talking first).
=Russ
-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Bera [mailto:rod at goarem.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 6:44 AM
To: Mikel Maron; hot at openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] A Fiji project for experienced mappers interested in a new damage assessment methodology
Note: the http://tasks.hotosm.org/ instance is titled OSM Tasking
Manager, which is a lie.
And the donate button which was on this page some time ago was at best
dishonest as the people clicking this button from a page titled "OSM
something" were probably expecting to donate to OSM and therefore are
driven to donate to HOT.
I'd have no problem having http://tasks.hotosm.org/ titled "HOT tasking
manager" (as was the case previously). And given this, it would be
legitimate to select/sort tasks according to feasibility/appropriateness
from a HOT perspective.
Rod
On 02/03/16 13:10, Mikel Maron wrote:
> The OSMTM code is open source, and many instances are running around the
> world, and that's great. The instance running
> at http://tasks.hotosm.org/ is managed by HOT's activation working
> group. The policies are fairly flexible about what's posted there, and
> project managers are welcome to discuss and create projects there. What
> does need careful consideration are tasks created for an active HOT
> activation, and the priority given these tasks. The feasibility and
> appropriateness of the damage assessment task for Fiji hasn't yet been
> discussed at all in the AWG.
>
> -Mikel
>
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 6:47 AM, Rod Bera <rod at goarem.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Mikel,
>
> (not discussing here the pertinence of task #1575).
>
> I already gave my views on the OSMF list prior to your election to the
> board but this episode is an illustration of what we should not see
> in OSM.
>
> I wish to emphasise that OSM has nothing to do with HOT's Activation
> Working Group and not OSM tool should be controlled by it.
>
> therefore what you call OSMTM (OPENSTREETMAP Tasking manager) is not
> OPEN.
> Therefore NOT OPENSTREETMAP.
>
> Please stop claiming so.
>
> ... unless the Tasking Manager (re)becomes truly open. the TM was
> thought as a common for OSM, and having it the thing of a smaller group
> (which decides who can propose a task and postpone/archive/veto tasks)
> is a real problem.
>
> Otherwise, facing censorship on the TM there are chances that some
> dedicated mappers favour the emergence of an alternative TM (or worse,
> alternative TMs), which would raise other issues (possible concurrent
> tasks on the same regions, etc) unless we develop indexing mechanisms
> (like cross-harvesting INSPIRE catalogues).
>
> This issue should be discussed within OSMF to find the best way to
> transfer the governance of a self claimed OSM tool (which right now it
> is not) back to the OSM community.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Rod
>
>
>
> On 02/03/16 02:07, Mikel Maron wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > This project hasn't been raised or discussed within the AWG, and
> raises
> > a number of issues that require careful consideration. For the time
> > being in Fiji, we're focusing on updating the base map only, and this
> > particular OSMTM project has been archived.
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Mikel
> >
> > * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 6:28 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton
> > <jguilhem at gmail.com <mailto:jguilhem at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Stronger cyclones are likely to become more frequent with climate
> > change. Categorie 5 cyclone Winston severely hit Fiji on Feb
> 20th. A
> > state of natural disaster was declared for 30 days. Ten days
> later, the
> > death toll is 43, at least, and more than 50,000 persons who
> have lost
> > their homes are still living in evacuation centers.
> >
> > Improving recovery capabilities is part of Disaster Risk Reduction
> > (DRR). Assessing the damage and obtaining accurate and actionable
> > information as quickly as possible is critical. Ziad Al Achkar,
> Isaac L.
> > Baker and Nathaniel A. Raymond, of the Signal Program on Human
> Security
> > and Technology at the Harvard Humanitarian Initiative (HHI)
> published
> > these last days a study that describes a new methodology to
> standardize
> > remote assessments of wind disaster damage, from satellite,
> aerial or
> > drone imagery, named the “BAR methodology”, with a foreword by Ray
> > Shirkodai, Executive Director of the Pacific Disaster Center,
> “Assessing
> > Wind Disaster Damage To Structures”
> >
> <http://hhi.harvard.edu/publications/satellite-imagery-interpretation-guide-assessing-wind-disaster-damage-structures>
> >
> > This methodology takes into account structure categories
> visible in the
> > imagery, sorted in “A) Light strength structures (the most
> vulnerable);
> > B) Medium strength structures (moderately vulnerable); and C) Heavy
> > strength structures (usually the least vulnerable).”
> >
> > Each structure is also assigned a damage scale, which is as
> follows: “0
> > = no visible damage to the structure; 1 = visible partial roof
> damage; 2
> > = the roof has suffered significant damage or is completely
> off, but the
> > walls remain standing; and 3 = the walls and the roofs are down
> and the
> > structure integrity is completely compromised.”
> >
> > The goal of this project is to adapt the BAR methodology to the
> > OpenStreetMap framework, using also information available
> online from
> > social media, such as geo-localizable photos, and apply it to
> the town
> > of Ba, in Western Fiji, to produce detailed open geodata that will
> > hopefully be useful to the Fijian Government to manage the
> aftermath of
> > this disaster, and also to experiment and refine this
> methodology as
> > needed for future disasters.
> >
> > If you are already an experienced OSM mapper, and interested in
> learning
> > how to contribute to this, please have a look at this project:
> > http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1575
> >
> > Read the instructions carefully, and especially the BAR study
> linked
> > above.
> >
> > The adaptation of this method builds on previous attempts in
> the HOT
> > community, in particular regarding the tags used. As it is new,
> please
> > know that you are really welcome to ask any question you may
> have, on
> > all the channels available, especially in case of uncertainties
> you may
> > face, if you feel that you are qualified for this project and
> want to
> > give it a try.
> >
> > The same method could also be used for other areas, including where
> > aerial photos are available, and more generally where
> geo-localizable
> > photos from social media are available.
> >
> > Thank you very much.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Jean-Guilhem
> >
> >
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