[HOT] Surveying Helicopter Landing Zones (HLZs)

[Denis Carriere]

I agree with John, this type of data needs to be collected from a trusted
source, reliable, consistent & complete (nation wide coverage).

The encryption with public & private key might be a bit too much, but as
long as the data can be used in an offline environment via a mobile
application.

*~~~~~~*
*Denis Carriere*
*GIS Software & Systems Specialist*

*Twitter: @DenisCarriere <https://twitter.com/DenisCarriere/>*
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On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:01 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think there is a slight problem in that for operational use you need a
> trusted source and HOT as it stands with new mappers using iD isn't really
> that.
>
> I would suggest that one way to make it a little more bullet proof would
> be to include a tag, website perhaps that pointed to a read only web site
> under someone's control that confirmed the location and attributes.
>
> There are other methods encryption would be one, two key public and
> private.  The site would get a benediction and a encrypted key with
> location and attributes would be added that way you wouldn't need an
> internet connection.
>
> There are actually a number of places where this would be of value in OSM
> so if we can come up with a process it could be applied a little more
> generally.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 7 November 2016 at 10:29, Denis Carriere <carriere.denis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> During the Nepal earthquake relief effort, mapping HLZs (Helicopter
>> Landing Zones) did not seem very coordinated, many factors need to be taken
>> into consideration to properly define a HLZ. I can confirm that very little
>> of the OpenStreetMap HLZ data was not used for any mission planning by any
>> NGO, Government or UN aid during my time in Nepal.
>>
>> However, it would be great to open this type of discussion with
>> organizations that actively fly helicopters & planes within these affected
>> areas. Most of these organizations already have a their own HLZ data with
>> tons of precise attributes associated with the particular HLZ & terrain
>> data.
>>
>> Before any mapping happens, we should properly define a HLZ OSM Wiki page
>> to clearly define how to map an HLZ.
>>
>> https://gist.github.com/aaronpdennis/b4ce2012749bb025b886 (Humanitarian
>> purposed tags)
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Helicopter_landing_zone (Not defined)
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency:helipad (Not defined)
>>
>> *@MAF & @MountainChild @KLL: *It would be great to have your input on
>> this topic.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> *~~~~~~*
>> *Denis Carriere*
>> *GIS Software & Systems Specialist*
>>
>> *Twitter: @DenisCarriere <https://twitter.com/DenisCarriere/>*
>> *OSM: DenisCarriere <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DenisCarriere>*
>> GitHub: DenisCarriere <https://github.com/DenisCarriere>
>> Email: Carriere.Denis at gmail.com
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM <
>> blake.girardot at hotosm.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Keith,
>>>
>>> I worked a lot on this issue during the Nepal 2015 response.
>>>
>>> What you propose sounds great. We had a lot of difficulty trying to do
>>> this via the tasking manager for several reasons.
>>>
>>> I would love to speak with you more about it, maybe we could chat via
>>> skype.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Blake
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Blake Girardot
>>> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
>>> President, HOT Board of Directors
>>> skype: jblakegirardot
>>> HOT Core Team Contact: info at hotosm.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Keith Darby <keithdar at usc.edu> wrote:
>>> > All:
>>> >
>>> > I am a retired Marine Corps Helicopter Pilot, and a current Masters
>>> Candidate in GIS Technologies at USC.
>>> >
>>> > I am working on my thesis, which is based on the premise that
>>> crowd-sourced geospatial information, if properly structured, could aid
>>> aircrews in surveying potential HLZs for disaster response.
>>> >
>>> > The work flow would be as follows:
>>> >
>>> > (1) Helicopter planners and aircrews would select potential HLZs in a
>>> disaster-affected region, using whatever mission planning GISystem at their
>>> disposal (normally baed on remote sensing data)
>>> >
>>> > (2) Those proposed HLZs would be uploaded to OSM.
>>> >
>>> > (3) Volunteers could select one of those HLZs and conduct a
>>> ground-truth survey, following a script (that I would develop).
>>> >
>>> > (4) Those surveys would be uploaded to OSM and validated.
>>> >
>>> > (5) the Helicopter mission planners and aircrews could use those
>>> surveys to select the best zones for disaster relief operations.
>>> >
>>> > I am looking at using the towns of Honokaa and Waimea on the northern
>>> end of the Big Island of Hawaii as my study area, as I live close by, and I
>>> have the local Community Emergency Response Team (volunteers) willing to
>>> support.
>>> >
>>> > Who do I need to talk to about getting HOT permission to conduct a
>>> limited objective study in this area?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Keith Darby
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